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PCG I'm sure that you are right. There can be few experiences worse than that of losing a child, under any circumstances. It is (if that is what you believe happened) an amazing, if not almost incomprehensible thing for a parent to do. My point is just that the horror with which it happened must help some people to see just what lengths God went to for them. But I also said, and still think, that actually the method of death should not affect the fundamental parts of the Christian faith, so I think we are probably agreeing. As to the question of how the faith would have developed without that symbol, I'm not sure it would have been the same. I think that human beings need a sense of the dramatic to really be able to believe wholeheartedly in something that cannot otherwise be easily proved. Are there any stories of other gods that aren't dramatic and yet inspire mass loyalty? I'd be interested to hear them if anyone can think of one?

I think that some of this depends on how you view the entirety of the time that Jesus spent alive. If you believe he is the son of God, sent to earth to help us to turn to God, and that he died for your sins, and rose again from the dead, then the method by which he died isn't important. You can still believe those things regardless of the method of death. What is seems to represent to believers is the extent to which he was prepared to suffer, and therefore the extent to which he loved us and wanted to save us. Would the Christian religion have taken off to such an extent without that "proof" of love?

dulwichmum Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The claims are complete and utter trash. My lardy > monster in law has had two pairs and they do not > provide a work out of any kind. She is still a > lardo. I'm still laughing at this.........

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*Agrees with Huguenot* [Can't BELIEVE I just typed that.] *Faints* ;-)

I belatedly grab a placard and offer the pro woof campaign my full doggie support. [Though well done to MrBen for recognising the tyranny of the majority!]

woofmarkthedog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd love to hear her recite the poem "She sells sea shells" "I'm not a pheasant plucker, I'm a pheasant plucker's son, and I'm only plucking pheasant's till the pheasant plucker comes"

Worth pointing out what Powergen origionally called themselves when they went into the Italian market...... PowergenItalia........I kid you not........

I LOVE this thread. I have NO IDEA what it's about, but I love it. To summarise though: lots of us like cakes, we bake them in a variety of ovens, and jenny1840 doesn't like the new government. Would that be about the size of it? Or is there a cunning political stunt that I haven't spotted?

I once had to negotiate a settlement opposite a lawyer called Phyllis Stein.

In any case there's no need to be too literal. After all Six Mile Bottom, well, isn't.

Nor was Titlington Mount. Shame.

Badger's Mount was a disappointment too.

Brum, you are clearly not posh enough by a long way. What Dave actually said: One feels able, on balance, to give a positive indication of how one is minded to respond when dealing with the enquiry as to whether or not one can, in fact, as it were, in the vernacular, ahem, "fix it".

I'm off for a wee drinkie, but leave you with my latest Choo lust: http://www.jimmychoo.com/Sandals/Dasha-/invt/093dashamle

OMYGODI'MINLOVE: http://www.luluguinness.com/ProductPage.aspx?productId=LULU0067039055600

Jeans - I'm wearing them now! But I hear you, they are very denim specific. Can I tempt you instead with my knee high black leather boots with silver popper studs down the sides and spikey heels, purchased in Paris a few years ago?

Oh I hear you re the trainers but don't judge me too harshly till you've looked: http://www.katekuba.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=5912

From Lulu: Large light blue shopper covered in pictures including "London" writing and glamour girl boots picture. Medium over the shoulder black fabric bag with beautiful green embroidery and "gardening is good for the soul" strap line underneath. Small black satin clutch with tiny handles, covered in red and pink flowers with individual pearls sewn into the centre of each flower. So cute I could eat it. No lips or rose buckets yet. But I do feel a trip to Harrods coming on....... OOOoooh also forgot - discovering very comfy trainer style shoes by Kate Kuba that just happen to have a 4 inch heel......

Rearranging my collection of Lulu Guinness handbags. Prrrrrrrrrrrrr..............

His day job is making shoes. But in actual fact he makes pure happiness......!

See - you feel better already!!

No but VERY similar!

Gold, with a 4 inch heel.

Bucket loads.