Well I guess you could extrapolate that the 'weakness' I allude to is a part of the UK's 'identity, fair point. I'm not talking about how UK people behave abroad and I have personally never seen UK folks shagging in public in Saudi have you ? Oh yeah you read about it in the paper. Sometimes I lose touch with how frequently the UK citizens are going over to Saudi and abusing the system there - which is the point you're making, right ? We just stroll over to Saudi and take the p!ss all day long. Not the best point you could have made. Regardless, the points made don't automatically delete my observation. Because I'm not saying get out foreigners or we're better than anyone else. I didn't say "every UK citizen has never done any harm to anyone abroad has and always respected local customs" etc etc, so you can argue to the contrary but you're arguing with someone else, not me ! And who was talking about Britishness ? I'm not fighting for that myth. I'm not saying everyone who comes here has to be a clone of a UK person (God forbid !) but I do believe 'integration' is a 2 way street. My Pakistani uncles and cousins agree and I come from another country - just to save any predictable comments. What exactly is your contention against my point ? : "It always seems that the allowances are being made by the host country for minority groups when it comes to the UK example, not by the people that have moved into the UK". Are you saying it is completely innacurate ? ie.: "It always seems that the ALLOWANCES ARE NEVER being made by the host country for minority groups when it comes to the UK example, BUT ALWAYS BY by the people that have moved into the UK " ? Easy to hurl accusations but I think my observation is reasonable ! Talk about the empire, stag parties, sex on the beach in Saudi if you need to - can YOU speak Spanish and are you THE example we should all follow ?! I think most UK residents don't (bother) speak foreign languages because most places they go there are people who will speak English and also it's because I think educationally (school) we pay lip service to learning languages, I haven't done research to back this up, just my thoughts on why, either way I don't think language in Spain or elsewhere has anything to do with my observation. Unless you need to paint the 'racist' / xenophobe tag, which is really, really cheap !