Twirly

Just be aware that if you follow the vigilante route, you could find yourself being prosecuted for various offences. That won't exactly help your friends, family or the area. I used to live in Stoke Newington - I can recall standoffs between various members of the community in the area, including coming home one evening to find a small riot between the Greeks and the Turks taking place at the end of my road. I agree with the idea of showing resistance through a peaceable presence however, as Steve says.

Cassius Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > How many nights can London afford to have 16,000 > officers on the streets for? And how many nights can the places we've "borrowed" those extra police from afford not to have them doing their normal jobs?

Surely they should be given community order sentences and forced to make good the damage they've done? Might even learn a useful skill and become, shock horror, a useful member of society. Punishment should fit the crime. Withdrawing benefits will, as Rosie and Jaybee point out, just make matters worse.

We had this at our wedding last year. MrTwirly is a great baker, so it seemed apt. A friend was doing the reading, so I didn't want something that said "I love you this way and that" as it seemed a bit weird. I'll send you via PM if I can a large document full of wedding readings that I was sent when we were planning. If anyone else wants it, PM me. Recipe for a Happy Marriage (Author Unknown) A Good Wedding Cake. 1lb butter of youth. 4lbs of love. 1lb of good looks, 1lb of sweet temper. 3lb of self forgetfulness. 1lb of pounded wit. 1lb of blindness of faults. 1lb of good humour. 1 tablespoon of sweet argument. 1 pint of rippling laughter. 1 wine glass of common sense. 1oz of modesty. Put the love, good looks and sweet temper into a well furnished house. Beat the butter of youth to a cream, and mix well together with the blindness of faults. Stir the pounded wit and good humour into the sweet argument, then add the rippling laughter and common sense. Work the whole together until everything is well mixed, and bake gently for ever.

So does that mean you get the forum to yourself RosieH? I find that the idiotic @#$%&" give me a good laugh and a sense of surperiority, I think I'd miss them :)

What she probably meant was "We don't have any water cannons handy" - well, why would they? But by saying that they don't have them available it would make the authorities look weak. By saying it's a policy decision they look like they are still making decisions. Decisions can be changed. I'll be very surprised if the military, water cannon etc. are not in place tonight (if they can work out where to put them that is).

Now they've set fire to Croydon too...

Sorry to hear about your arm, but what a lovely post, so nice to see something positive :) Hope you have a full and speedy recovery.

Sue Wrote: > I think they might have been these, maxtedc? > > There's loads of them around at the moment. > > They are orange when they fly, but when they come > to rest they are black and white. > > See these pictures: > > Tiger Moth I had one of these land on me the other day. Saw it fluttering around as I was walking up the road so paused to watch it and it landed on me till I had to move again, then fluttered off. Was lovely :)

You may like to take a look at the book The Ethical Slut. I had similar thoughts a few years ago, but realised that it really wasn't for me after reading this - though it could easily persuade someone that it's the right thing for them. An interesting read.

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > > This used to be Co-op but changed to a Sogim > Pharmacy, ironically enough, around the same time > the Co-op took over Somerfields True, but it doesn't seem to have made a blind bit of difference.

I too think you were very sensible not to meet in your own home. You haven't said what the item was, but I assume that it was easily portable? If so, then I can't see what his problem was. If I bought something off someone under these circumstances, and it proved to be faulty, I would just put it down to bad luck. I wouldn't be expecting them to fix it or provide a refund - or do other people expect this in these circumstances? The other way of dealing with it could have been to ask for his address, and take the item to his home (with a friend, male or female, for your safety). If he had refused that, then I think he'd be even more dubious. Is there anyone you can report someone like that to? He hasn't done anything, so presumably the police wouldn't be interested, likewise a mod on here.

Am pleased to hear about the extra security, but pretty horrified to hear about the attacks. Does anyone know if there is any pattern, such as time of day or area of the car park? I usually use a cross-body bag these days - guess they could try and get it off my if they tried, but at least I don't have to put it down whilst loading up the car. I have both hands free.

I'd second Mamora Man's suggestion of Tas - love their food, and it's great whether you've got vegetarians, pescetarians or hardened carnivores in the party. Something for everyone.

oldnewromantic Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I went to the Bill Bailey gig and it was > fantastic. Bring back EdFest!!! I remember this too - hysterically funny. And the improve thing too - whose line is it anyway - with some of the old faces from the TV show. Was a fantastic event, and sorely missed.

Just out of curiousity, what would the people who are objecting to these cameras have the authorities do instead? Should people not be fined for committing offences? Should they receive no other punishment? Should the offence just be ignored? It's all very well objecting, but can anyone come up with an alternative? I too am a driver, and am horrified with some of the selfish behaviour we see on our roads. This behaviour leads to increased congestion and accidents. The junction mostly under debate here is renowned for being dangerous. If having the car there stops someone dying because drivers are taking extra care, I'm all for it.

I walked past the one on Northcross Road the other day. It was completely empty. Might I suggest a notice is put in it explaining how people apply to have notices put in it? Not everyone reads the EDF!

Thanks for the explanation Selma. I was a bit worried that it was going to become a regular occurence I have to admit, twice in one week. However it was clearly for a specific reason. It was the double parking that got me last night. Even at 1.30 in the morning, that shouldn't be happening no matter what is going on as it's potentially dangerous. Fantastic send off though - must've been quite a party. Very sad circumstances though.

I've just posted about this too. Very strange. Would love to know what is going on - it's not just at night either.

Anyone know what is going on on Hindmans Road tonight? I've just driven up it on my way home at about 1.45am and there were lots of people milling about on the stretch between Upland Road and Tyrrell Road. That's not a problem, but what was were the dozen or so cars double parked on the left hand side. Had to drive up the right hand side and was very lucky there wasn't anything coming southbound. It's the second time I've noticed this on that road - last time was during the day in the last couple of weeks, and there were only 2-3 cars double parked (I was on foot that time), also a lot of people milling about drinking.

I actually had an excellent experience with LL carpets 18 months or so ago. We ordered our carpets from them, but then they had to store them for us for nearly a year due to the dreadful job our builders did, as we had to get someone else in to clean up the mess. Have to admit the office could be a little chaotic, but they were always really polite and nice.

Penguin68 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suspect that the key issues here are simple economics 101 factors. > > (1) Different types of house operate with different elasticities of demand ? properties targeted at first-time buyers (who have little equity to trade) are price elastic ? falling prices bring buyers in, rising prices exclude them, primarily as a function not of desire but availability of funding (affordability). At the other end properties are relatively price inelastic - quite significant changes in price will have limited effect on purchase as people are in a better position to exercise choice less constrained by funds availability (simply because they probably already have sufficient equity to be able to borrow lower fractions of the total house cost). I?m curious about this. Won?t the elasticity in prices at the first time buyer end of the market have a knock-on effect at the other end, particularly if prices fall? If you are trying to sell your property to a first time buyer in order to trade up, but they can?t get the mortgage or don?t have the deposit, then if I want to sell, I either have to wait a very long time till the right person comes along (and be affected by the vagaries of the market) or drop my price to what they can afford, which in turn leaves me with less equity to trade up. Or am I missing something? I am also curious as to how the current situation with student tuition fees is going to affect the housing market in years to come. If someone is graduating at 21 with ?30-40k debt, has to pay it off and then potentially save up another ?20k (or more) to buy a property, then there is going to be a scarcity of first time buyers. Unless they all have rich mummies and daddies who will pay that out for them of course. Personally, I suspect that fewer people will chose to go to university and there will be a contraction in that sector, but that?s another issue. I was lucky enough to get my degree in the days when there were still grants to go to uni, and it still took me until my 30?s to get on the property ladder. If I?d had the amount of debt these kids are expecting, then I?m not sure I?d ever have made it, particularly with the cost of living in London.

I know what you mean bloonoo - I'm still too slow to go in the middle lane, but am a bit faster than those in the slow lane. I've been going at lunchtime and it always seems very busy. I'd love to know if there's a quiet time for adult/lane swimming too.

Mr Twirly and I will be packing to go on our hols. I had hoped we'd actually be flying out around the time of the wedding, but the flight is in the evening as it transpires. I have to admit that I shall probably take a sneaky peek at the frock though, don't think I'll be able to resist.

Well basically it seems you have a choice of walking up to the stop in Clayton Raod, or walking down to Tesco Metro at the southern end of Rye Lane, there's nothing inbetween. I caught the 63 from Elephant and Castle last night, and it went the route I would normally drive from Clayton Road (down Consort Road), then left into Heaton Road. Our bus did stop outside Tesco's last night - sorry to hear you're didn't The Minkey. What I had forgotten is that the southbound bus stop by Peckham Library is still closed due to that bit of roadworks, so the bus is basically on diversion from there until Tesco's. Madness!