*Bob*

Well said, Louisa. Everyone stop being so cynical and give a harmless nice old man and the girl who captured his heart a break. It's a fairytale romance.

maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- Tiny Rebel 'Cwtch' - an > amber/red ale with a bitter, spicy, malty and - > yes - tropical fruity thing going on. Delicious. Coincidentally I had one of these yesterday. Good flavour - but I'd go along with the complaints above that a lot of *strokes chin* 'craft' stuff is over-gassed.. and thought this one was as well.

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'd have to be in an persistent vegetative state > to be in bed with either of them I'm enjoying that mental image

I think you mean "if only I was 30 years younger and had an estimated wealth in excess on $10Bn"

Oh, ALAN you could have milked that - one response per day for the next three days

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought this thread was 'unpopular' music > opinion That's you problem right there. Saying the Beatles weren't influential or innovative isn't 'an unpopular music opinion' - it's just plain daft. You can hate them to death but there's no argument to be made here, except for the sake of it (i.e. maverick ninny)

In any case, the writing off (or conversely, adoring of) particular artists and their entire (and in the case of The Beatles - staggeringly varied) repertoires in one fell swoop is best left to sulking teenagers or others of immature mind. Even Cliff managed Devil Woman. Unfortunately, if you?ve reached later adulthood and still find yourself falling into this category - then I?m sorry to say you?re destined to be a musical bedwetter/thumbsucker until the day you die.

Most things in music are subjective. Whether or not the Beatles were innovative and influential isn't. It's just a fact. If you honesty believe they weren't, then I'm afraid you're going to have to show your working. And you're going to have to put up a better fight than than Rock Around The Clock and Elvis.

When is the GCSE music written paper by the way? Sounds like you're well up to speed.

she loves you mmm, mmm, hmmm she loves you mmmmmmm yeah yeah yeah yeeeahhhh yeaaaaaaahh mmmmmmm' cup of tea, Mum? hmmm hmmm cmmmmmmmm oooh that would be lovely, ooh, I just love 'The Beatles'.

It?s fine to ?not like The Beatles?. You can probably back yourself into the tight parking spot of not liking all 275 songs.. if you?re really determined to get a park. You can think Paul a cock, hate John?s voice, sneer at Ringo?s drumming, say George is the best of ?em (a textbook one there) - but if you?re seriously doing them down on innovation and influence then you?re either squarely in Moron Territory or it?s back to the maverick ninny. Let?s hope it?s just the latter.

HonaloochieB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Blimey, that was quick, the first > Beatles-hating-posturing ninny in a thread of this > sort. > Disliking The Beatles in the context of pop music > isn't an opinion, it's an attitude, a quasi > maverick pose that just won't do. I like this a lot.

pato Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > i am even more with you Lou...;)) Me too. What time does Jools kick-off this year, Lou?

These are The Wilderness Years for you, Jez. But fear not - The Golden Years, when you can go to bed just before they're getting up and everyone feels they've had a treat - are not far off.

Horses for courses. Dubious clubs and pubs - to cop off - when young. Better clubs and house parties when older. House party - with select group - these days. Jools Holland followed by tepid attempt at sex - if you've given up on life.

Is it not something of an embarrassment that someone so mediocre (the weakest singer in Girls Aloud, no less - hardly a 'high bar' anyway) is a 'singing coach' on a television show? It's - quite literally in this case - 'pretty brazen'.

The standard drill is: Send her out. Couple of spoken ad libs. Let her wobble through the first line - ooh, sounds a bit dodge - she's definitely singing live though isn't she? Cheryl performs the classic 'touch your earpiece manoeuvre' - lawks - her earpiece isn't quite in! Can she pull it off?! Then switch this on (http://www.antarestech.com/products/detail.php?product=Auto-Tune_Live_2) first a little bit, then more as she goes on. There's a bit in the middle where there's an instrumental break. Switch the plug off. Cheryl shouts 'woo, yeah, c'mob everyone, clap your hands like morons!' Then on it goes again for the rest of the song. The last note is so heavily processed it sounds like a tuning fork. She's done it! End of song: switch off, Chezza says 'thanks, you've been great'.

Seems a bit unfair to Karen Carpenter.. She could actually sing in tune.

Personally, I'm holding out for Jaws 5 - though it's going to have to be absolutely incredible to top 2, 3 (in 3d - way ahead it its time) and The Revenge.

We?re witnessing the perfect PR storm here, fuelled largely by swarms of nostalgia-riddled middle-agers quietly panicking about the onset of their own mortality - and labouring under the delusion that wetting themselves about Star Wars will somehow slow their inexorable slide into the grave.

I fear the key has been thrown away - into the fiery furnace of Mount Doom

Unfortunately my influence - and thereby potential interest to the media - is not sufficiently great enough to receive a ban - so I have literally no idea what it might be like to walk in your hallowed shoes.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I was picked on for one reason > alone, my influence. Too much exposure in main the > section. Wouldn't want the media catching on Don't worry, self-aggrandising delusional bollocks is fine here in the lounge. Carry on.

I think you mean: "You cannot be serious, so you can't"

You can get a set of those free - when you buy The History of Tennis Sweat Bands In Ireland - volume one.