*Bob*

Ahh well, sod you then, Atila. Consider my olive branch shoved squarely up your arse. Good luck in the song game (yawn)

No - honestly as in honestly. I am capable of honesty, despite being a bit of a cock. I just don't get it, Atila. This isn't karaoke night, or a game of tennis, or a pie-eating contest. All there is to do is write stuff, say what you think, have other people agree or disagree blah blah. There's nothing else on offer here. You did have something to say on the 'teenage mums' thread and I was probably 50% more on your side than most.. I don't just flick the V's at people regardless of what they say, you know. So instead of getting defensive and instinctively telling anyone who asks you what you think to f*** off, smarta*se, why not just say what you think - and why - instead.. and see how that works-out? Christ, I've come-on all serious.

I can't tell you you're wrong, because you haven't said anything yet. You might be right, but if you don't say anything, how will I know? And I say that without any hint of 'having a go'. Honestly.

ATG wasn't referring to anything, as he's one of those people with seemingly strong opinions but nothing to say. As of yet. I expect 'The Song Game' takes-up too much time. But thanks for supplying the crib sheet, Lozzy. Playing conkers in school? Banning Christmas? Selling things in pounds and oz? Bendy bananas and other such EU tabloid-manna-from-heaven? etc

Ok So Atila can't think of any real reasons. Anyone else?

How do we live in a nanny state? Let's have some examples then.. as opposed to just shouting "we do! we do!", which doesn't illustate anything, other than you can't think of any real reasons. Convince me through the power of reasoned argument. My current position is that whilst stupid laws exist up and down the land, hardly any of them impinge upon my freedom to - by and large - do exactly what I want.

I prefer mine straight from the tap.

Somebody please give Atila his bottle.

Nero Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- If you believe you are being nannied, then you'll > act like a baby. Nero Well put. I think this just about covers the 'nanny state' issue.

What a load of of old bollocks.

It could so easily be a success. It could be a pub-style version of Inside72. A real proppa boozah with a musical flavour. Some honest grub, a bit of live music in the lounge, a good jukebox in the bar. Easy. Unfortunately it seems the freeholder has made it clear that they're not prepared to offer any incentive for the management to make something happen, nor are they prepared to cut the pub loose and let someone else have a try, if they've got the bottle for it. I wonder why.

HonaloochieB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > He's got what we doctors call 'Jonathon Kinging' > of the jaw. I have committed this important and useful medical term to memory - for future use.

Big build-up. Looks like it's going to be a cathartic evening for everyone.

What would you do if you were a business who owned the freehold of pub which was: a) not in a prime location b) in need of expensive refurbishment with the added annoyances of listed elements c) not making you any money c) in an area where residential property has recently rocketed in value with precious few new-build locations Answer: 'prove' that the pub doesn't work as a pub (by way of making it a thoroughly unattractive going concern) - then convert it into flats, sit back and count the cash.

"gay sports lovers"? Anyway. Back to the CPT. I kind-of get the feeling (from what people have said about it being for sale, the lease, etc etc) that there's a sinister plan afoot to let the place ROT so that there'll be an excuse to do away with the place and replace it with a real money-spinner some time in the future.

Essentially the poem means "if you don't like sport, you're probably gay". Anyway, I do like sport ("see the Bears game last night?"etc), just not in pubs when I'm trying to have a conversation, and not football (although like other anti-football people I do develop a short-term interest when the international stuff comes around).

It'll be no pub for the price of none soon if they're not careful.

I'm all ears. Though naturally I don't believe a word of it already.

It's a face of two halves (I just looked at a picture of him) If you cover the bottom half he looks like a cruel accountant. If you cover the top half - village idiot. Amusingly, the picture I looked at had been named 'Opik Headshot'.

If any of my friends lived in the vicinity (and they promised to stop showing SPORT all the time) it would be my preferred choice for a drink. But they don't, so I don't go there. Unfortunately there's no denying that the most vehemently defended little boozah in ED is also the one most likely to get the chop. I'm sure it makes a cracking little home-from-home for a few dozen people and Keef six nights a week but it won't survive for long if it continues the way it is.

atila the gooner Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As long as you don't make a habit of doing this > behind the wheel of your car!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I haven't got one. I'm a happy rainbow person. With a fume-belching motorbike.

Ahh.. I spent many a happy day as a child sitting in a room with Grandad and Co, all puffing away on their Park Drives and congratulating each other on being single-handedly responsible for the upkeep of the NHS. I can only hope that they contributed enough during the course of their smoking lives to cover the cost of the NHS treatment that was required before their eventual deaths (in agony)

We don't need cars. We could all trundle round in bicycles with a little trailer on the back in a happy rainbow world. Come on everybody! "Eeema-gine all thu pee-puu-uu-ulll..." Oops.. sorry about that.. I dozed-off for a minute. Back to reality.

Was anybody else there?

Mmm.. The thought of Lembit bearing down, all red-faced and short of breath, teeth gnashing and eyes bulging certainly doesn't do it for me. "Oooh... Lem-bit.." No thanks.