SimonM Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Making lists of allegedly working-class > characteristics and then smugly insisting one is > being ironic, not smug...:)) Simon, let me assure you that in my case (tinned salmon with a bit of vinegar in it, Vienetta Ice Cream, darning, dandelion & Burdock, condensed milk, having to stand in the kitchen sink to have a wash, Princes' tinned ham, watching snooker on a b&w television, woodbines) I was simply describing the usual Sunday at my Gran and Grandads place.