Metallic

Penguin68 Wrote: > > In the short term, and ironically, it is the > kulaks and oppressors of the poor who live in the > gated communities now created (and they are in the > more expensive parts locally) that are benefiting. > But it's a long game the apparat is playing, no > doubt. I never asked for any of this! My street is just a residential one but anyway it is as quiet as a grave thanks to a junction closure I never wanted.

East Dulwich Grove has Charter, Village, Jags, Alleyn's and the other Charter kids, all walking through the fug. You can't close every road but it is hell for walkers and residents between Village Way and Townley. Same for the schools and nursery affected by displaced traffic in Croxted and Rosendale. All those planters in Court Lane and Calton Avenue contain dry earth and dying plants. It is pathetic that people who love "Dulwich Square" or whatever the name is today, can't even make the vile planters look alive.

Dulwich_Dad Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I am one of the few people commuting at the > moment. To reduce my journey time I've bought > myself an electric scooter to get me from home to > North Dulwich Station. > > The only trouble... I then have to carry my > e-scooter around with me all day! On the train, > into the office and back again. It would be so > much easier if there was locker storage or > something similar at the station. > > Is anyone else in the same boat? If it is "yours" then you are using it illegally - ?300 fine plus licence points so its a good job you are anonymous.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > tiddles Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The congestion is basically caused but a lot of > > traffic having to do two sides of a triangle > > rather than straight up the obvious route. Also > > the lights have not been adjusted - for example > at > > the dulwich village / east dulwich grove > junction > > only 2-3 cars can turn right - and a lot of the > > jam in the village is cars wanting to turn > right. > > If a filter were introduced that could smooth > > things? > > The lights there definitely need rephasing. Apparently I heard from about third passer on that the TfL box for EDG cannot simply be altered, or filtered, a new box I guess is required.

Why oh why do cyclists go through the Calton Ave/Court Lane junction towards Turney Road on cycle red lights? Or cycle on to the pavement and nip along to the pedestrian lights to get back on to Turney Road? What a joke this expensive closure is.

sim1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Is there an East Dulwich Grove Residents > Association through which to channel these issues? > Personally, the changes are having a > transformative and really positive impact on how > my family gets about the area. However, judging > from the various threads on here it seems to be > mainly EDG residents that are negatively impacted > by the changes in road layouts. Operating through > a RA might give EDG residents a better way of > working with the Council to find a solution to > your specific problem? Apologies, you might > already be doing this, was just a thought. When you have long, strung out roads with different housing types and ownership, it is hard to get an RA set up. My own road is pretty uniform in house style but even so the top and the bottom have very different issues.

david_carnell Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Roky Erickson Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8713579/F > > > > ury-FIRE-ENGINE-gets-stuck-new-cycle-lane-Covid-fr > > > iendly-traffic-measures.html > > "Abi Babalola, 40, says her 10 minute school run > now takes more than 30 minutes due to her having > to weave her way around the streets of Brixton - > even passing near to her home 'a number of times' > in the process." > > A 10 min car journey. > > This is what this scheme is for. To make people > change behaviour - stupid behaviour like this. Unless you know this person and her family personally, I would steer clear of calling anyone stupid. For all you know she or one of her kids is disabled. Stupid.

I have just heard from a friend who lives round the corner from me in Area B. She had paramedics this morning as she has heart problems and lives alone. The paramedics took her to hospital and on the way told her that their bosses have asked them to log any calls to streets with planters or other blockages, so that they can report the delays to local councils. Only one person has to die for this rubbish new road system to be deemed, by me and people like me and hopefully a Coroner, the additional cause of death occurring through delays.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I cycle and walk and use public transport. Mynroad > East Dulwich Grove is now a nightmare for > cyclists, pedestrians and bus users. Everyone > walking down that road 5 days a week to school or > work is breathing in standing traffic fumes. It is > also horrible living on my street during the 6 > hours that the road is taking up displaced > traffic. Exactly.

I'm amused by the empty cycle lanes seen on many photos from the other boroughs, and the fact that a good many cyclists are STILL on the pavement. Kids only please.

I'm too old and a bit too skeletally delicate to carry shopping or cycle. If one more person asks me to book a cargo bike delivery I will explode.

I was never brought up to say "I'm alright Jack". I have never felt that. However I suspect all over Area A and B, and C (coming soon) there are smug cyclists like those posting on twitter about how perfect it is to allow your kid to play in the street. Until a Man in Lycra zooms past. And the people in certain roads saying how the levels of traffic and their asthma has improved - you see, I'm alright Jack. Technically for the moment this is my life in the sense I am going to be protected and to a certain extent I already am because of Phase 1 closures, but really? Doesn't anyone else in Court Lane, Calton Ave, Woodwarde Road, Melbourne Grove and the three side road buddies have any sense of guilt?

Well the Village and Burbage/Turney will be in unpolluted paradise every day, whilst friends of mine in Guernsey Grove and Hawarden Grove, and the folks on Croxted Road, will have traffic hell. Not in my name! I am embarrassed at the selfishness of people who do not care if traffic turns up on another person's doorstep. They do have young children, schools and nurseries in that area too you know, not just the precious Village Infants and Dulwich Hamlet.

andrewc Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > East Dulwich Grove at 9.30am this morning Don't you understand? All this upheaval and misery for people who live in the area is during certain times! No one says it is always blocked. This is what makes all these flower tubs and potentially the cameras all over the place a total waste of money. TIMED CLOSURES!!!!!!!

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Other than these two spots (bare in mind that this > is rush hour), I saw very little evidence of the > 'TRAFFIC CHAOS!!!' people have suggested. > > My advice would be go and take a walk yourself. > Both at rush hour and other times of day. So where are your photos from 7.30 - 8.30 AM? Oh, still in bed?

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > andrewc Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Today at 3.45pm > > These photos show traffic chaos!! So get out of your beds and take some snaps tomorrow morning. Then publish those.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Metallic Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rahrahrah Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Yet people on this thread are claiming that > > > Dulwich Village is back to back trafffic?! > > > > I went to look this morning. Yes, back to back > to > > back to back to back, coaches, cars and vans. > > What fun to breathe that in if you live in > those > > cottages opposite the Dog. > > I passed through the Village on foot at 8:30 this > morning and it was extremely quiet. What time were > you there? > > It seems that some people are claiming that all > the traffic has been diverted from the Village to > the South Circular and others are claiming the > Village is at a stand still with back to back > traffic. Meanwhile people are pointing to maps > published in the Mail. > > Walk over there and just see for yourselves. Suggest you amble by at 8am. I walked down there to have a look at that time.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rockets Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > That map shows exactly what many on here were > > predicting - that Dulwich will soon be > encircled > > by constant gridlock - although I hasten to add > > that I am not using Google Maps on the Daily > Mail > > as the gospel! > > > > What is interesting is that it appears both > > sections of the A205 west and east were > struggling > > - at 8.30am it is normally only the west bound > > section that is congested but it appears > eastbound > > too now - no doubt as people avoid using > Dulwich > > Village. > > > > It will probably be even worse come evening > > rush-hour. > > > > Also, Lordship Lane now seems to be very red. > > Yet people on this thread are claiming that > Dulwich Village is back to back trafffic?! I went to look this morning. Yes, back to back to back to back to back, coaches, cars and vans. What fun to breathe that in if you live in those cottages opposite the Dog.

Suoerquick order of planters for the new SE22 sites. I wonder how long Dulwich Village will have to wait for the cameras to really muck it up totally.

Now the buses have started a new routine of kids being on one as priority, next one along for anyone. At least not the 37 and 185 thank goodness, we would never get anywhere.

Sadly, it's the "I'm alright Jack" mentality that rules the roost. When these people are old and infirm, or disabled, and can't get anywhere, can't cycle or get a cab, they may think again.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Rockets Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > > You know things are bad when even The > Guardian > > > starts complaining about things that are > > supposed > > > to be improving the environment....;-) > > > > > > You could say this Guardian writer will now > > consider how to kill two birds with one stone > when > > taking thinks to the dump and perform other > tasks > > that include driving at the same time. > > > > This is the plan - the moan is exactly what the > > response to the climate emergency is looking > for > > and it's "nudge" theory I think. If they've > gone > > to far they'll retract it a bit but it's > exactly > > the effect they are looking for. > > > But when does the nudge go too far...this looks > awfully familiar to what is happening around > here...the law of unintended consequences.... > > > What the > > council doesn?t appear to have banked on is the > > law of unintended consequences. To make the > scheme > > even greener, the few arterial roads with two > > lanes in each direction have now been cordoned > off > > into single lanes with the other serving as a > > cycle route. The result is gridlock. Bus > journeys, > > that the council are trying to promote, that > used > > to take 10 minutes now take a minimum of 30 > > minutes. Worst of all, ambulances on sirens and > > blue lights trying to get to the nearby St > > George?s hospital also get stuck in traffic as > > there is nowhere for cars and lorries to get > out > > of their way. I think they are intended consequences!

John Crace in the Guardian yesterday (every area is the same!!): Thursday One of the joys of a staycation that I could do without is that it gave me the opportunity to take a whole load of garden rubbish to the dump. What made the experience even more punishing ? normally this is the sort of activity that gets relegated to a grumpy Sunday morning ? was that all the local rat runs to avoid the stationary traffic up Trinity Road in Wandsworth have been cordoned off and the six-mile round trip took well over 90 minutes. About a year ago, the council apparently did an online consultation ? I somehow must have missed the email alert that was presumably sent out to everyone in the borough ? but those that did engage tell me that the response was near enough 100% against the proposals. And yet Wandsworth have now used lockdown to make dozens of residential streets not just inaccessible to through traffic but to residents as well. The idea behind the scheme was sound enough: to promote greener travel by getting more people to use bicycles and to walk where possible. What the council doesn?t appear to have banked on is the law of unintended consequences. To make the scheme even greener, the few arterial roads with two lanes in each direction have now been cordoned off into single lanes with the other serving as a cycle route. The result is gridlock. Bus journeys, that the council are trying to promote, that used to take 10 minutes now take a minimum of 30 minutes. Worst of all, ambulances on sirens and blue lights trying to get to the nearby St George?s hospital also get stuck in traffic as there is nowhere for cars and lorries to get out of their way. Wandsworth insists this is only a short six-month trial and that it will be reviewed at the end of the year. No one is holding their breath.

mr.chicken Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I love how the angry drivers who only talk to > other angry drivers are convinced that everyone > hates the traffic changes and only a tiny minority > like it. If traffic changes make life worse for > drivers, but better for non drivers, there's a > good chance the majority of southwark residents > will be in favour because the majority of us do > not have access to a car. Page 11. > > http://content.tfl.gov.uk/technical-note-12-how-ma > ny-cars-are-there-in-london.pdf > > Drivers are in the minority in Southwark. > > Drivers skew rich, white, male and middle aged, so > it's particularly funny to hear the "WoNt SoMeBody > ThInK oF tHe ChIlDrEN/old people/cyclists > (lol)/poor people" etc concern trolling. What's > telling is the missing concern for the 4000 people > dying per year in London due to pollution deaths, > or any suggestion about how to stem the ever > growing tide of traffic and attendant pollution. > > Tell you what drivers, people might take you > seriously if you can actually come up with a plan > which would actually fix the problem. "I paid for > my car so I should be able to drive it" isn't a > plan so much as a manifesto. Oh. Ever actually thought that if there was better public transport in certain areas, that people wouldn't NEED a car? The reason many people don't need a car is because they live near multiple bus routes, can walk or cycle, or have a tube line.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > James Barber Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > My understanding is the Goose Green Labour > > Councillors live: > > > > James Ashworth-McLintock (James McAah) - Nunhead > & > > Queen's Road ward > > Victoria Olisa - Champion Hill ward > > Charlie Smith - Dulwich Hills ward > > > > So no, none of them live on Melbourne Grove. > > Please don't make or relate much accusations. > > > James I think the poster may have been confusing > the rumour with the DV councillors living on > Calton Avenue or one of the roads positvely > impacted by the closures. > > Is that incorrect too? Yes it is. However the councillors dealing with Goose Green do not live in their ward, which is true of one of the Village Ward members.