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The council has adopted a zero tolerance policy on refuse dumping . Bins are being inspected throughout the borough .

I found the grocer to be very rude and arrogant. Not a nice person

Galliman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I've been thinking of moving to the area for some > time and took a big step closer this weekend when > I registered with a few agents (sorry but even > Foxtons!) and viewed a couple of properties, but > now I've started the ball rolling, I'm feeling a > little hesitant! I love the area (from what I've > seen on a few weekend/evening trips, plus what > I've read on here) but can't decide if I'm making > the right call! I fancy a change of scene and > want to be closer to town - so zone 2 is better > than zone 5, but by moving from my home of 6 years > (South Croydon), I'd be doubling my mortgage for > effectively the same house and will still have a > similar commute (15 mins instead of 25). I guess > I've fallen for the ED lifestyle, but is it worth > an extra ?1k a month to the bank?? > > I'd love to hear from anyone who's recently made > the move to ED and maybe pondered the same > dilemma! I have lived in ED , Sydenham and South Croydon. They all have different and interesting lifestyles to offer . ED is far more alive and full of young families than S.C.However the latter is quieter, more private , peaceful and full off big houses , driveways and good state schools (Wallington and Wilsons schools).

No . I went into the cleaners as your daughter was leaving . The owner was concerned that she gets home safely .

Is this the same girl that ran into Upland Dry Cleaners and asked to hide behind the counter until the other girls went past?

SeanMacGabhann Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > As I see it the difference is this: > > poor service is not illegal, so we are free to > comment on it on this forum (ditto good service) > breaking the law (eg disability lasws, or > employment of temporary workers illegaly) is an > accusation that needs evidence rather than a > statement on a public forum where anyone could > write anything > > I'm sure shopowners feel aggrieved if someone > posts on here about poor service but there are > plenty of forumites who are likely to provide > balance if it's just conjecture Thanks for the clarification Presumably , we can play the politicians game when it comes to allegations of law breaking by beginning our sentences with "Allegedly shop x ...".

Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > no What do you mean by this , Mark? I need to know so as not cause future problems What laws is it that you thought I suggested the shop had broken? Ibo

Mark Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The point is ... > it's just that if someone says a company has > broken the law they have to be careful what they > say. > > Mark Ok mark , can we take it now that we are all not allowed to make any comments about the service that local shops provide because to do so may imply that the business in mind is behaving illegally? Ibo

spadetownboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > you certainly did miss something ... as well. What absolute nonsense you write mate . Look at your original reply to me and you will see that it was this post that highlighted the disability situation . You decided to try to behave like cyber bully hiding behind the computer screen . All you postings are classic examples of the trails that such a coward leaves ie .begins by being aggressive , misinterprets my postings than asks me to reread what I have posted and attempts to find contradictions therein. To say that the parents of disabled people wear this disability as a badge of honour and also play it as some sort of card casts a strong reflection on your mental instability. I really could not care less what you think of me or my postings . Ibo

No mate . Whilst I am parking my son will be doing the buying . The shop people are honest and decent . Anyway , I have to keep away from their cakes. Ibo

Thank you Ultraconsultancy . I have a weakness for all types of nuts and have found a Turkish shop in Penge that normally has a sack load of walnuts that is self-service .Unfortunately , they also have very nice cakes and pizzas , which means that my I put on half a stone per visit:) |bo

what are you talking about ? You have blatantly attempted to misinterpret everything that i have said about this shop that behaved badly towards my son and subsequently myself. You have made some atrocious comments about disabled people in general as well as a pathetic comment " spare the rest of us having to listen to you". I do not if you are being provocative deliberately so as to the rest of "us" how big a man that you are . This shop seems to sell shoddy goods and is extremely rude towards its customers , according to my son's experience and that of Ganapati . It seems that you have to focus your attention on the goods they put in bags .Subsequent complaints may not be treated politely.

Spadetownboy , you accuse of not reading my previous posts . Have a second look at yours . My first post presented the bare facts of the situation . You immediately started taking a negative stance about disabled people and badge of honors .Perhaps you should have asked further questions before putting your in the wrong place . Ibo

eccentric Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I heard the chippy on NCR, "Emily?s" is going to > be a Pie'n'Mash shop? Any confirmation anyone? > There is a Planning application in and approved > for alterations. I spoke to Ahmed , the owner , yesterday and it seems that Pie'n'mash is part of his plans. Ibo

Ganapati Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Oh Spadetownboy, why must you be so cruel? Yes, it > is a matter of customer service, but who knows, > maybe they did think they could palm off some bad > walnuts on this boy. I'm sure there must be some > sizing up of customers to see who will complain > and who won't. They seemed very put off and > surprised when I complained. Anyway, I think you > really crossed the line with the comment "wearing > disability as a badge of honor" Spadetownboy is entitled to his views. I can assure you that the only badge of honor I wear is one where i try not to be too judgmental and treat all and sundry with the decency they deserve.Lets hope when he is old that he remains healthy and able. Ibo

Ganapati Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ibo--I too think it's awful how your son was > treated. In my earlier post I said "forget about > being disabled" what I meant was, treating someone > disbaled badly is poor enough, but it was also bad > customer relations when you went in to try to > rectify things. Thanks Ganapati.The problem with such shops is that they seem to attract enough customers not to worry about the minority that have legitimate complaints. Ibo

I can assure you Bob that I was not interested nor sought a " Clash of the Dads" . The owner is fortunate that I did not seek to cause a scene , but rather to deal with the matter in a gentle and low key way . Had he apologized and refunded the money we would have been gone before any customers realized. Ibo

Ganapati was able to refuse their produce because she is not disabled and could see through their shoddy behavior. My son was also served with produce that was obtained from the rear of the shop . It says much about you that you chose to concentrate on my son's disability, rather than the behavior of the shop . I have made a specific point about the shop , not all and sundry. On returning to the shop I made no attempt to wear the disability as " a badge of honour " , and offered them the opportunity to resolve the complaint specifically about the walnuts. You have much to learn about shop service , the law and the treatment of people that are less able than yourself. Ibo

Thanks for your compassion Spadetownboy . The walnuts should not have been sold in that condition . My son told me that they were put in a back out of sight from somewhere at the back of the shop . One wonders whether these shoddy goods would have been given to him were he not obviously disabled .My son is a trusting and honest man who is certainly not frightened of me . It is people such as yourselves and many others in society that made it necessary for the government to pass laws attempting to safeguard the rights of the disabled . I suspect that you are a lost cause. Ibo

Thank you Ultraconsultancy . They seem to be very successful but ignorant as regards disability laws and the need to treat all people equally and decently . My son was served by a young boy and for this reason , and not the 59pence refund , i returned to the shop to give them the opportinity to apologize and rectify the situation . The manager/owner decided otherwise and was arrogant and rude . He was also very silly as the shop was full and other customers became aware of my complaint that I tried to keep low-profile . Ibo

The following is an alleged incident. It may have taken place, it may not have, it may be a mis-understanding. The forum is a great place for people to share their views and opinions but remember they are someone's views, it doesn't mean they are factually correct. - The Administrator I asked my son , who has mild learning difficulties , to go and buy some walnuts from this greengrocers . He came back with a handful of walnuts , half of which were dirty and half-broken . I returned to the shop with my son where I was told by the manager/owner in a very arrogant and rude manner " what did you expect walnuts too look like?" . It seems that they had these were the only walnuts left and were good enough for my obviously disabled son. The irony here is that the shop was very busy ( Saturday 21 July ) and seems to sell what , in the main , looked to be excellent produce which is attractive to the many people who prefer smaller , more personalized shops . Perhaps i should return with some literature on how the disabled should be treated in present day society. Ibo

Correction ; the shop is , of course , in Northcross Road. Apologies . Ibo

As regards alternative chippy shops keep an eye out for the one in Upland Road , where its owner Ahmed is in the process of undertaking major refurbishments . Ibo

Something like 10 to 12 years. Ibo

Golden City closed as result of the chippy in Underhill Road opening. Ibo