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Thanks jj and fazer. Nice to read something sensible and serious here. I imagine the juvenile jokers are of the type who mock people no matter how serious the issue is.

What's so hard to understand about noise waking people up??

Quite true, MarkE. Does that mean that if, say, 5000 died previously, then the figure would rise to 6000?

Some interesting info from the HACAN website, : http://www.hacan.org.uk/resources/reports/living.under.the.heathrow.flight.path.today.pdf http://www.hacan.org.uk/ http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5432 "20% more chance of dying of stress-related diseases under Heathrow flight path". Serious!!

Some interesting info from the HACAN website, : http://www.hacan.org.uk/resources/reports/living.under.the.heathrow.flight.path.today.pdf http://www.hacan.org.uk/ http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5432 "20% more chance of dying of stress-related diseases under Heathrow flight path". Serious!!

Some interesting info from the HACAN website, : http://www.hacan.org.uk/resources/reports/living.under.the.heathrow.flight.path.today.pdf http://www.hacan.org.uk/ http://www.bmj.com/content/347/bmj.f5432 "20% more chance of dying of stress-related diseases under Heathrow flight path". Serious!!

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Part and parcel of living in a world city. There's a parallel thread here: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,837871 in Mauritius, probably as part of a political deal brokered many years ago, a recorded and amplified version of the call to prayer can be heard in every District of the Island before daybreak. It disturbs a lot of people but it's too late to shut the stable door. ..

Oh dear! There's a parallel thread here: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5,837871 I find it astounding that some residents haven't noticed that as the roar of one jet fades, another's rises - throughout the day, each and every day.

First one (that I heard) was at 4.33 this morning.

*Bob* Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You can look at a replay of landings and > departures on any given day - in real time - on > this website below. Hover over any aircraft icon > for its altitude - move the scroll bar to speed > the replay up. > > It's slightly addictive. In fact, the best thing > is never to look at this website and just forget > about them. The more you think about it, the more > you hear them. > > http://webtrak.bksv.com/lhr > > (This one's for Heathrow. You can see the two > different patterns depending on whether wind is > from West or East - especially if you speed up the > replay) Also, you can simply ask, when (?) you email a complaint to Heathrow... :-)).

crescent Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ugh... So glad I found this. I am not a light > sleeper at all, but airplanes kept me awake from > 5-6.30 ish this morning ... At one point I worried > they were skimming the top of the roof! > Sooooo noisy, do they rotate flight paths? > > I had no idea one can complain, and will. But > realistically, will it make any difference? Hi crescent, Welcome! Short answer: Yes! Definitely, 100% for sure, Guaranteed. But... Only if we do the work. Lots of good info on pages 1, 2, 3.:-))

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can anybody point me in the direction of a map > showing flight paths over the Nunhead area? Ta :) Hi Sue, check out page 3 of this thread; hope that helps.

Thames estuary? Idiot? Rings a bell... Seriously, if we care, we need to get our voices heard. I'm considering using a petition site.

and you get a useful and informative pack for your trouble. :-))

It's 3.23am and a little one just flew by!! Don't forget to register your complaints at www.heathrowairport.com. It matters.

It kicked off around 3.30 this morning!

I'll be back in ED on Saturday after 6 months in Mauritius - with the occasional (single) jet passing overhead at 10pm! Not looking forward to 4.30 alarm call.

@EJTH: fascinating!Thankfully, I'm far away at the moment but must remember to get a smartphone when I get back!!

Indeed, Polla. A friend from New York couldn't believe we put up with this.

Only me! Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/heathrow- > sets-flightpaths-for-early-morning-planes-8381177. > html > > Saw this on the EStandard site. > Maybe a little early morning respite is on the > cards? > > No maps to help determine exactly where the zones Thanks :-)) > will be .... but fingers crossed.

Fair enough on the NIMBY position, Bob. I suppose my attitude is NIABY - not in anyone's backyard at 4.30 in the morning. (I can hear them now; it's 5am!)

Thanks for this, Stephen. Interesting options that address the problems seriously.

Chilled out?

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I like the sound of the planes. Ironically, I love aircraft; they're magical. But let's be real - should builders be allowed to start noisy work at 4.30am? 8am is the established time for London and I find that reasonable. What a reasonable time for aircraft? (I know the answer's "any time" for the truly "chilled-out").

Defeatist: 1. Defeated.