fabfor

Sj, just stop for a moment and think. Did you notice that people who had remained silent previously reacted to your post? How many more are there? And your rants are probably discouraging peaceable people from posting. Please pause And think. And even supposing you're 100% correct, why are you here?? Just for a fight? Surely you must have better things to do... Why not take El pibe's advice and move on?

They're aptly named "Trolls". And, judging from their posts elsewhere, apart from their shameless trolling activities, they seem to be everyday people. Bizarre.

Hooray! Hooray!

OMG! What a nightmare, gimmies! I totally sympathise and I know it's easier said than done but I'd consider moving on to a southwark-free place in your position. Best wishes.

Hacan's facebook page: Report launched yesterday in the house of commons exposing out of date under-assessment of aircraft noise nuisance. Here:http://www.wandsworth.gov.uk/download/downloads/id/9193/anase_update_study Check out the facebook page for more action.

The child needs to sleep, fazer, much more so than you and me. This is why I think this fight is important. If it's lost there will be no going back and our grand/kids should rightly curse us for being so short-sighted and apathetic. Stress is an insidious thing; not being consciously aware of something does not mean it's not stressing us out, especially at critical times in the sleep cycle.

I'm for the pragmatic approach of fighting the battle on all fronts. HP, you guessed it.... There's an app for that!! (several, in fact). Or there's a machine for around ?16.00 on eBay or you could try a CD on repeat. But.... as the man said "Don't give up the fight!" "we shall fight them by petition, we shall fight them on the forum, we shall fight them by application! We shall never surrender! "

EP, you're the man. :-)

:-))

hpsaucey Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well, I've been following this with interest and > the odd comment. This is slightly off topic but > I'm looking for advice. > > My 8-year old has been waking early for ages, and > I just assumed he was an early riser. Don't know > why. He said yesterday that its actually usually > the planes waking him up early. Don't know why I > didn't ask him before. Children usually just > accept whatever's happening as the 'norm' so he > didn't think to say. > > Any tips to help him gratefully received. He's > looking permanently shattered at the minute. > > HP Hi HP, sorry to hear that your 8-year old boy's affected by this. The only thing I can think of trying is to use soft music near his bedside, not to drown out the aircraft noise but to, hopefully, provide a steady focal point for his mind. It's just a suggestion. Perhaps HACAN Clearskies might have come across this before??

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Well fabfor, I only started posting on this thread > today but I'm concerned that you're concerned > about something that for me and many others simply > doesn't exist or aren't affected by and I'm quite > puzzled as to why you persist in trying get other > people to sign your silly little petition that > will come to nothing. If it really does affect you > and you're obviously such a light sleeper get some > earmuffs, take some downers to help you sleep or > move somewhere where you think it won't affect > you. AND: Posted by Jah Lush February 17, 11:12PM fabfor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What's the word for people who get involved in > matters that, by their own admission, don't > concern them? What's the title of this thread? I shan't be signing your petition and that is my last word on the matter. NOW: Posted by Jah Lush Today, 11:14AM fabfor Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Puzzled at the "arrogant" comment? Seriously? > Why not leave this to us little obsessives then? > You're not helping.... Bye. Dogs returning to their own shit. You're pissing in the wind. Looks like the "obsession", in this case, is personal. How much do body guards charge?

Puzzled at the "arrogant" comment? Seriously? Why not leave this to us little obsessives then? You're not helping.... Bye.

Google is great! Found this:http://brockleycentral.blogspot.com/2013/08/heathrow-restores-brockley-peace.html?m=1 Brockley made some noise!! What happened to our fighting spirit? Stolen by the obsessive trolls?

BTW, Hacan stats for last summer show that there were more complaints from Brockley than from all other areas combined! Strange. I wonder why that is?

SplendidLikePeckham Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > "Why do Jah Lush KidKruger *Bob* El Pibe amongst a > number of posters on here appear intent at one > level or other of insisting / telling those of us > who have become increasingly bothered by the every > increasing aircraft noise to bury our heads in the > sand.?????????? > > Are they the missing link between us normal Humans > and Ostrich? > > Do they have some other agenda ? > Shares in Heathrow associated companies a desire > to avoid negative topics Re East Dulwich? > FFS The mind does boggle!" > > > This thread has clearly gone a bit ranty, but I > have to say I too find it very odd that those not > affected by an issue would take the time and > effort to even read, let alone then post such > vociferous comments a) denying the issue's > existence and b) denegrating those who claim to be > affected by it ("176 bus overcrowded? RIDICULOUS! > IF you want to get into the West End MOVE NEARER. > Or just BUY SOME ROLLERSKATES!") > > The noise clearly varies depending on wherabouts > in the area you live, quality of windows, how > light a sleeper you are etc - and I am genuinely > pleased that many aren't affected by it - but to > attack those who post here saying they are is > downright peculiar in my opinion. > > The only people I can think of who would go to the > effort to do so would be a)the incredibly bored > b)estate agents and/or house owners fearful of the > effect "East Dulwich/Peckham blighted by > flightpath" headlines might have on houseprices > c)shareholders/employees of BAA/British > Airways/Virgin etc. > > It would be fascinating to know whether those > descriptions are accurate in this case, but sadly > we'll never know. Such is the beauty/frustation of > an internet forum like this..... > > Ho hum Indeed, OP. Why are they hell bent on stopping our protest? It's more than strange. Normal people look down the list of topics on the forum, read any threads that interests them then decide whether (or not!) to bother to post a comment. It takes a real no-lifer to REPEATEDLY return to something that they consider a waste of time. In fact, a psychologist would describe it as OBSESSIVE behavior!

Just found an interesting blog on noise here:http://hacan.org.uk/blog/?p=233 I found this particularly interesting: "What happened when the fourth runway at Frankfurt opened is instructive. The shock to the system of a plane coming over every 90 seconds or so brought thousands on to the streets in protest. These protests still continue well over two years after the runway has been open" Of course, it's stable doors and horses all over again.

Surprise!surprise! Looks like 4 times more people are suffering (some here excepted) than we were previously told: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565835/Report-reveals-one-million-people-suffer-Heathrow-aircraft-noise-FOUR-times-official-estimates.html

OMG. It's pathalogical. I'll say it slowly. Listen carefully if you can. 1. It's hurting people. Fact. 2. A minimum standard protects everyone, even you and yours should it get worse in the future. Fact. Really, what is wrong with you? Your neighbours are disturbed by this and you don't give a ....? And what's more, you're only too proud to say so. Empathy, what's that? What's wrong with you?

12am to 6am. 6 hours noise free. That should be a minimum standard. It protects everyone from babies to sensitive adults. What's wrong with you??

:-).

galexa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > A couple of phone snaps attached but do go and > look if you can. Wonderful! Thank you very much, galexa.:-))

I fly 12,000 miles every year and I love aircraft. My point is that I am entitled to protection from noise pollution (from any source, e.g. hgvs) from, say, midnight to 6am. That's a modest demand;what's so hard to understand?

What's the word for people who get involved in matters that, by their own admission, don't concern them?

I wonder why people who aren't bothered by aircraft noise are posting here repeatedly?!! After all, this thread is primarily for those of us who are concerned. Plus, while wasting their time being vociferous about something that doesn't bother them, they're advising us not to waste the 5 minutes it takes to sign a petition!! Why??? I've no idea but it's clear that they would do well to find a thread that does concern them, while we do whatever little we can to fight Goliath. Please consider "wasting" 5 minutes by signing the petition (above).

I fail to understand how anyone can fail to understand. Please consider signing the petition above. Thanks.