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UEFA just see football as one big money printing exercise. Every football supporter to a man/woman would like to see a return to the old Champion's only european competition but the football authorities and to a large extent the clubs would rather chase the ?????s.

Parkdrive Wrote: > > You clearly are in need of help if you believe > that Abromavichs sins and those of the City > backers are of no consequence and becasue others > have deemed them to be fit an proper, well thats > ok by you. Oh the irony indeed, far from being > naive the article was telling and that, I suspect, > is was you dislike as it hit home and touched a > nerve. Classless CSKA Fulham all over. This is becoing a rather dull circular argument which I am afraid I will have to leave you to tilt at your particular windmills. Haha! The old 'classless' insult. The last bastion of a football fan that has lost an argument. ;-)

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Somebody has a bit of a thing about Liverpool FC. lol - you got me there, Otta! ;-)

> > Nothing to do with Johnny Foreigner, I'm from > immigrant stock myself, its do with with robbing > your own people and commiting human right abuses > such as torture which I find unsavoury. Or perhaps > because you support one of the particular clubs in > question you find it hard to take and therefore > need to defend? Arsenal were linked with a company > which were also linked to human rights abuses and > I screamed blue murder on the the blogs and fans > websites about it, as I have no wish for a club > I've supported for 45 years to get involved with > such despicable behaviour. You're pasing the buck > by saying it's down to those who decide who is > "fit and proper", do you not have a conscience and > mind of your own? Firstly, Syed was talking about Chelsea through Abramovich being corrosive for football. He is wrong, total opposite has happened. His naive argument was based upon how Abramovich made his billions. Which is a totally different argument altogether. Secondly, I am not passing the buck, they already have it, that is their job to define who is or isn't a fit or proper person to own a club. You or I cant make that decision for them. Frankly the fit and fair panel have been found wanting. We can blog about it but I suspect it is going to take a bit more than that. If you think your club is run by arms dealers, torturers, pension thieves or even pornographers then it is down to you to stop giving that club your cash. Arsenal. Oh the irony. The club that bribed their way into the football league. Helped by, surprise surprise Liverpool FC, who'd thunk it eh?! I think football is mostly governed by crooks, fiends and incompetents and always has been by the looks of it. The only way things will ever change is if we all stopped attending matches. Then they might sit up and actually listen.

Otta Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > LFC is owned by foreigners. Indeed. Those properties were purchased years before our American cousins pitched up and carried on the good work. And don't even get me started on the Stanley Park debacle which saw Everton's request to move to the site turned down on spurious grounds only for Liverpool council to then give the go ahead for Liverpool to move there. This was then scuppered as the new owners baulked at the cost. I'd like a good look at LFC's and Liverpool City Council's bank accounts. ;-)

if there have been Human rights abuses then that should have been addressed by the fit and proper persons panel who obviously don't care about these matters as much as you or I do. Secondly you seem to think there should be a sliding scale as to whose sins are worse than others. I imagine people struggling to find affordable housing in Liverpool whilst the club just leave the area to become a uninhabitable slum probably think that Liverpool FC's sins are quite major or maybe they don't have any rights. Still, while there is a foreign bogey man/men to blame we can ignore it in the same way the FA and Premiership ignore human right issues.

As pointed out by Cascarino, hardly new amongst the wealthiest people in the world, nor is it new to football. I also find it difficult to take seriously any journalist that works for a Murdoch publication trying to take a moral high ground. Not saying that we should accept corruption wholesale, but to point to Abramovich as some sole corrupter of squeaky clean football is laughable. Is Liverpool FC buying up neighbouring homes to Anfield (on the cheap) with help from a complicit council leaving the area a slum of boarded up houses all for the sake of a now failed ground extension any less or more a corrupting influence on British football? As is the usual course of action in this country, it is easier to blame the wicked foreigners.

bon3yard Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ah, Chelsea. An excellent piece by journalist > Matthew Syed outlining Abramovichs toxic effect on > English Football: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmCtci6cen8 Mostly hysterical hyperbole. Not one mention of Abramovich's work in Chukotka but then again that wouldn't have suited Syed's agenda. Ho hum.

KidKruger Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > it's what mating without hang-ups sounds like. LOL - excellent.

Breathtaking attitude. Someone puts FIVE speakers into their garden so that they can listen to their music from indoors. And some of you think this is perfectly acceptable and sane behavior. Why? Because it is happening during the day, so that makes it alright. Gawd help us all.