titch juicy

I guess you've erased that line you drew under this....

Louisa's whole faux argument is based on a moot point anyway- what's actually wrong with being a bit pretentious (or as some would call it, aspirational)? You can remember where you come from and still want to try other things...in fact it'd be a bit weird if you didn't.

"What you're decrying is not the end of a certain class, for there are plenty of people of working class origin, hell might even still describe themselves as such, who are well able to tell the differnece between a turd, a polished turd and a pulled pork burrito. I think you've just got sympathy and empathy for the poor folk left behind who can't afford anything but the turd, but your frustration is manifesting itself entirely obliquely to the real issue. You're blaming the sneeze, not the cold." I think that might be the knock out blow

is pizza cool? how can it be, surely it's just cheese on toast?

How dare you Louisa?! Cheese on toast is pizza I cannot believe you are making the humble pizza pretentious by referring to it as cheese on toast. That's centuries of italian working class tradition you're messing with.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yes it is pretentious if its used in a demeaning > context to attack another type of food. > > A roll and ciabatta are both bread. > > A frittata quiche and omelette are all egg based > flans. > > They all use the same basic ingredients and if you > go out of your way to force feed someone your > knowledge of a name then it's pretentious. > > Louisa. haha!

Parkdrive Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > red devil Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > *sits on hands...* > > > Say what you need to say, both are quotes from the > same "little boy", and the Defoe bite went off > with out much of a fuss. I don't advocate such > behaviour by either player, just stinks of > inconsistency. Perhaps because suarez has plenty of previous and for defoe it was an unsightly blot on an otherwise spotless copybook Either way- the overeaction is laughable. It was petulant and a little pathetic from suarez; a reaction born out of frustration and certainly no worse than a two footed, studs showing lunge on another players shin (potentially career ending).

but a fritatta isn't an omelette in the same way that a roll isn't a ciabatta it might have some of the same ingredients but it doesn't mean it's the same is it pretentious to call things by their proper name? how odd

READERS!!!

in which case why aren't you happy to buy food from a street vendor, as well as at a traditional working class greasy spoon or pie n mash shop? surely waitrose are stamping all over the traditional local working class greengrocers and corner newsagents?

these street burgers and hot dogs cost between ?6 and ?342 so that's ?6.50 then

"No one goes around talking positively about current or former working class traditions, chicken shops or pie n mash - and yet they were or are extremely popular and important to million of people on a lower income. LL has numerous chicken and kebab shops - they hardly ever get a mention on here. And yet, after a night out at a pub, many people would happily sneak in and grab a meal deal of some description. " The times my dear, they are a changing.

Annette Curtain Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ok > > Back to the subject proper. > > Mother Flippa on Brockley market sell the best of > the burgers > > ?6.50 > > I like them ?6.50?!?!@* That's damned near ?12!!

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > titch juicy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Manze's pies are muck... And overpriced muck at > > that. Trading on nostalgia and charging the > earth > > for it. That's the only reason there's only a > > couple of them left. My folks brings down a > > consignment of steak ale and mushroom pies from > > their local pie shop in Cumbria every time they > > come...?1.20 a pie and the best I've ever > tasted. > > > > If the traditional working class food > > establishment's cared for their customers and > > served decent food at decent prices then we'd > not > > even be having this discussion. Empty nostalgia > > only goes so far. People want better and are > > getting it. > > Cumbria. Says it all. I don't think London's > traditional working classes have much to worry > about the rubbish they dish out from up north. > That's probably why so many northerners choose > London as home, to escape the poor culinary > selection. My only memory of north of Watford gap > is the disgusting chips with gravy. Yummy - NOT. > > > These pie n mash shops are institutions which have > been around for generations, they're still here > today. They fed the dock workers of the East End > and they provide decent good quality food at a > reasonable price. They've left London but are now > popular in other areas of the south-east, notably > Kent and Essex. Just because you didn't grow up > eating it doesn't make it disgusting or poor > quality. It just means you have poor taste. > > Louisa. Yeah. It's a bit boring now the horse has bolted.

Well deduced sir. Triffic telly all round.

Oh I see, she's trolling. The old 'say the irrational and ridiculous to get everyone worked up' bit. Well done you. Who said lazy humour and playground tactics weren't effective.

Manze's pies are muck... And overpriced muck at that. Trading on nostalgia and charging the earth for it. That's the only reason there's only a couple of them left. My folks brings down a consignment of steak ale and mushroom pies from their local pie shop in Cumbria every time they come...?1.20 a pie and the best I've ever tasted. If the traditional working class food establishment's cared for their customers and served decent food at decent prices then we'd not even be having this discussion. Empty nostalgia only goes so far. People want better and are getting it.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > MrBen Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Because people are unlikely to traipse across > > London to pay ?6 for something that tastes like > > fishy KY jelly. > > > But they'll pay nearly a tenner for a burger? Just > because it has something like "organic" or "wild > boar" written next to it. It's pathetic. > > And StraferJack - working class London culture has > had street food as part of its tradition since the > Middle Ages! Pies, roasted chestnuts, jellied > eels, hog roasts.. I could go on. But because they > were part of the cockney or working-class > tradition they were frowned upon and snubbed by > the trendies as being inferior. Now all of a > sudden, because these posh types suddenly find it > fashionable to pay the best part of a tenner for a > hot dog, something you could get from any burger > van - it's a revelation. People on this very forum > still revel in the fact that gentrification was > the saviour of East Dulwich, and talk of it being > a barren desolate place before the middle class > invasion. It's this constant put down of anything > and everything which isn't about them which annoys > me. > > Louisa. tenner for a burger- blimey! where?

UncleBen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > fishbiscuits Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > UncleBen/edcam - what's wrong with a sociable > > eating experience in the open air? It's perfect > > for a quick/cheap lunch. And fun to go with > other > > people and try lots of different things. Stop > > being so bloody miserable! > > It's the ridiculous description calling what you > have described above as 'street food', just to > make it/yourself/said activity sound less boring > and humdrum. I might pop out and have some > 'premises food' later, or i may stay in and have > 'home kitchen' food. It's sweet that you care so much about what it's called.

i was thinking street food had been around for millenia the sunday night miserablists are out in force tonight

Buffalo wings from Orange Buffalo in truman's brewery yard (not sure if that's it's proper name)- blinking excellent. What a shame though that I can't eat them in a stuffy 'property' at a ridiculous price where I'm obliged to order other stuff and tip a waiter. It's horrible sitting at a bench In the sun watching life go by. I think I need to man up.

"For so many reasons. The first is feature leakage where several obvious features are left off the first model. Front Facing Camera, Memory Card Slot , Hi Res etc etc. Then six months later out comes a new model with one of missing features. The Victims rush out and buy this new far better model. then Six months later out comes a new model with yet another missing feature added" Why do you think this is exclusive to apple? it's industry standard behaviour.....in fact it's 'making money from manufacturing' standard behaviour. A measure of how good/durable apple products are is the ipod classic- a model that hasn't changed in 7 years (an age in tech time) and is still a market leader at about ?200 (granted they only sell the 160gb version now, but you won't get a refurbed 80gb one for less than ?85-?90). My 80gb version is 6 years old, has been hammered it's whole life, and is like new. A brilliant company that have consistently made brilliant products, that also look good.

Maybe get Vicanna to bore the locks off for you.

"Maybe get Vicanna to charm the locks off" :-)

cyclenut Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Guilty, at the tender age of 17, my ?Crew? and I > took it upon ourselves to bring a bit of colour to > a drab wall. The area was very different back > then. Lordship lane was a dying high street > following the opening of Sainsbury?s. EDT was > grubby, I don?t believe the comedy nights had > started yet. > > We had ambitious plans, and sought permission from > the residents of the building. Once we had the go > ahead we set about our work. 2 days later (well 6 > hours, we were young and didn?t rise before > midday!), you?ve seen the result. The entire > piece was created using aerosol paint, no > stencils, paintbrushes or other tools. The idea > was to show off our skills and in doing so get a > name for ourselves. Similar art had been > commissioned by the Royal Opera house in Covent > Garden, and was produced by a rival Crew (TCA, The > Chrome Angels). We thought we were at least as > good as them, and wanted to show it. Henry > Chalfont (Subway Art and later Spray Can Art), > thought so, and features several pieces of our > work in his books. > > As pointed out, the work was unfinished. Some > residents, a young couple, returned from holiday, > complained, and demanded we stop. We did, and it > remained in the unfinished state for 25 years > fading, before being roughly painted over (it > remained longer than the residents!). I stopped > "graffing" to pursue a career in IT a few of years > after this was completed , my brother works in > film, 2 other crew members in art, design and > illustration. > > Great times, the height of Hip-Hop, an entire > movement dedicated to dance, graffiti and music, > happy days? a really interesting read i remember the chrome angels quite well it's quite interesting to see tags and pieces popping up even now, from crews that were active back then i saw a new tag from a member of WD (world domination) about a week ago which surprised me i admit, tags aren't pretty, but do come from a very interesting movement i am fond of all street art in it's many current incarnations i still have original copies of the two books you mention