TheCat

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For me it's the lack of recognition from the Gov > that they've made mistakes, spinning yesterday's > U-turn on the NHS surcharge as a sign of Johnson's > 'strength', being typical. > This from former diplomat Peter Ricketts... > > The Government would win so much respect if they > admitted, just sometimes, that they had made a > mistake and were correcting it. That would be a > sign of strength not weakness. If corbyn had removed the surcharge it would be evidence of awesome he is. Now that Boris has...it's a U-turn, or he's been 'forced" into it..... Government has done something that the left wants, and the left still find a way to have a go...

Okay...so Cummins is now breaking his own rules.....time to change....

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > For me it's the lack of recognition from the Gov > that they've made mistakes, spinning yesterday's > U-turn on the NHS surcharge as a sign of Johnson's > 'strength', being typical. > This from former diplomat Peter Ricketts... > > The Government would win so much respect if they > admitted, just sometimes, that they had made a > mistake and were correcting it. That would be a > sign of strength not weakness. 100percent agreed. Good article in the spectator last week which outlined the three big mistake that have been made. And suggested it they were just admitted, rather than obfuscated, it would go a long way to buying cred. Can't understand why they can't admit missteps. Everyone knows it's difficult...but don't piss on us and tell us it's raining.....

Look...now that this thread has moved on from his health (was that always my intention?:))....yes, mistakes have been made. But not every move they make is disastrous/incompetent/malicious. I think that whoever was in Gov at this moment would cop a kicking. For Tory haters, it's evidence of their lack of compassion. If labour was in power, labour haters would be kicking them for being economically incompetent. So really....it's just politics as usual....

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sephiroth Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > The Cat is many things. But anywhere close to > > being a momentum supporter? As if > > > > What a post glen. Amazing. (Not in a good way) > > Unc is so wrapped up in his racist/xenophobic > culture war that any post he perceives as being > negative to 'his side' must automatically be on > the 'other side'. Subjectivity has long since left > the building. > In 20 years time he'll be discovered ranting away > in some dark, dingy corner of the web, like a 21st > Century version of a holed-up Viet Cong hiding in > the jungle still fighting the Americans... It's funny you know. I took a bit of care to make sure the OP was worded as neutrally as possible. And also make clear that I was specifically talking about his health, not anything else. But people on both 'sides' read something not in 100percent agreement with their own view...and conclude it must be from the 'other' side..... Seph....who knew I was a closet momentum activist?:)...not even me apparently....

ed_pete Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ETA for the fix is now 10:00 on Friday 22/6 Saying 10:30pm tonight for me...in townley road area

Well my issues are not resolved.....2 mins of connection...before reverting to nothing.....

Just got a text 10 mins ago from Virgin to say issue has been resolved. Doesn't seem to be automatically resolving itself....I'll got restart the hub and see what happens....but are others now back online?

Yep...been using mobile hot spot since started early this morning becuase of virgin. I'm guessing that once you go over a certain amount of data on your phone your account moves down in priority even if you're happy to pay for extra MB's....as all of a sudden about 30mins ago it's basically unusable....even edf takes a while to load up!

Despite the click bait headline.....I'd like to avoid all the colourful partisan and non-partisan judgements of his character and capabilities (or lack thereof, depending on your viewpoint). No...what I mean is...since he got out of hospital..by my count he's made 3 or 4 public appearances (not counting PMQ's)....and 2 of them were pre-recorded. I may have missed one, but you get the gist. He's totally invisible. And even if you don't like anything the man does or says, it seems highly out of character for him not to be seeking more of the limelight. His PMQ performances have been shoddy at best...it cant ALL be down to starmer (despite him coming across very well).. Boris just looks shockingly poorly prepared (again, many will write that off as 'just boris', but there must be more to it). I'm also hearing from people who might have a clue, that he's really not right and struggling. Were he not the prime minister, and were we not experiencing an unprecedented crisis, I've no doubt he would have spent quite a lot longer recuperating than he did. Any thoughts on wether he's operating at 100 percent? (And yes, I know that '100 percent of boris' is still well short of many people's expectations of our PM)......

It's Indian, but it's not your normal menu, and is definitley a few cuts above the normal....Babur....on deliveroo....

I don't fully agree with how it's been communicated. But this thread is an example of the ridiculous. It's funny how (according to an observer survey) most leavers agree with Boris and most leavers don't.....bias in the extreme....

Jeez, some of you are self righteous twats.... If you're worried I'm referring to you.....I probably am....

edcam Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We are told to be guided by common sense, thereby > placing all the responsibility on the shoulders of > a confused public. > > You can go to the park and be within 2 metres of > absolutely anyone, unless they are someone you > know, in which case you can only be within 2 > metres of them one at a time. > > Sigh.... Agree on the later point. Makes no sense. Can't agree on the former.... 'all' responsibility on a 'confused' public?.....you (and many others) have managed to conclude the complicated outcome mentioned in your first point...so you're not confused....you just don't like it.... For clarity...I have no problem with arguments about not liking the rules. But this constant claim of 'confusion' is a red herring.....and driven by political bias....

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Can you give a link for that 83 percent stat > TheCat? I think you are taking the figure for ALL > journeys made as opposed to journeys made to > travel to work. The report from the DFT states > that when considering both workers and > non-workers, more than 80% of people entering > Central London during the morning peak used > rail-based modes of transport. In London, before > the lockdown, that equates to millions of people > using public transport to get to work. > > https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/governmen > t/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/8706 > 47/tsgb-2019.pdf Its on the top right of page 4 of the report that you link to above. "Usual method of travel to work, Great Britain, 2018". To be fair, I've only categorized train and bus as 'public transport' one could argue about the 5% of 'other' - but Im assuming most of that is cyclists (in anycase the numbers are roughly what I originally said) . You are right thouhg, London is indeed very different, but I was referring to the national figures. > > You ask for common sense, well here it is. We have > an invisible virus that is still infecting 20,000 > people a day. Until the government have a well > resourced track and trace network in place, > accompanied by testing units all over the country > that ANY concerned member of the public can > access, there is no strategy to stop that > infection rate rising again, and a lock down > returning. Whilst I agree that no worker is going > to return to work until they have been instructed > by their employers to do so, the government has to > come up with something better than 'avoid public > transport if you can'. Labour also have to be > careful to not play politics with this pandemic. > Pressing the government for exit plans when we are > still waiting to see what works for other > countries may backfire. I think that is all very (common) sensible - your broader points are worthy of discussion. But I dont think you are really guilty of the thrust of my OP today. You rightfully question why rules are the way they are and how that makes sense versus what we know about the virus etc - you're not creating pointless hypotheticals like "If im sitting on a park bench, and my mother is sitting on the other end of the bench, but then my father runs past exercising, is he allowed to pause and speak to us?"...which is an example of the extreme sort of 'hysteria' and faux confusion referring to.... In my view, there are plenty of things that things that need clarifying as to WHY they are the way they are; but I dont think there's that much that needs clarifying as to WHAT we are being asked to do. I.e. wear a face covering when around other people is not prescriptive enough for some of the 'confused' people, but really most people can interpert when it makes sense to wear one...the more important questions are things like 'what impact will that have on transmission? Does it mitigate the risk of being close to other people to an acceptable level? etc etc

So, while its more than fair to say that Boris's address was a little haphazard, once again I find the hysteria and the faux 'confusion' emanating from some parts of the country to be ridiculous. Could it have been clearer? yes. Could it have been slightly different? Yes... But...who the heck is going to just 'turn up' for work this morning without first having had a discussion with their boss? If anyone is aware if had queues of 'confused' workers outside manufacturing plants this morning, wondering why the gates are shut, then I'll stand corrected. Also, all these labour politicians 'confused' about the public being told to go work if they can and avoid public transport If at all possible. I don't understand how that is confusing? If you can get to work another way (and your workplace knows you're coming) then use that other method. In anycase, DFT stats show that 83percent of people in this country get to work by means other than public transport anyway....so while there's much to criticise about the new plans....stirring up faux 'confusion' just seems to make unessesary noise which means addressing real criticism gets lost... For example...I'd much prefer the press and opposition to be asking why families who have been isolated for 6 weeks, can't perhaps choose another household who have been isolated for 6 weeks - and interact with them without the 2m rule (I.e. kids spending time grandparents before they go back to school, as once that happens don't they then risk infecting grandparents again, and contact isn't advised?).... I know some people will want clearer guudines, but surely we can keep a lid on the hyperbole, and focus on whether the 'common sense' interpretation of what's been proposed is actually the right course of action right now?

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Regardless of the wording, if they have to explain > it, then it's already failed as a messaging > exercise... The previous slogan was 'stay home'....but there were a number of times you were allowed to leave home. Was this also a failed message?....or did most people wait for clarification before boarding up their doors and windows....? The main criticism TThe moment that I think is valid, is why release the new slogan 24 hours before the briefing? Thus giving rise to the reactions we have seen today....

The media, social media and politicians across the nation seem to be getting very worked up about the meaning of our new slogan today. Personally, it seems like willful obstinance from those complaining the loudest, who are using it as just another political/pointscoring excercise against Boris and co. I mean statements like 'the virus is invisible, so how are we meant to stay alert to something invisible!??' Just sounds petty and pathetic to me. I'm not saying I love it. But surely we can all hold fire until after 7pm tonight? If Boris's address doesn't provide the nessesary clarity, and leaves us feeling 'ambiguous'...then fire away.... But to have a day of 'shouting' over the various possible interpretations of one word before the details are public just seems ridiculous to me....

fishbiscuits Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > With the current trend for old-fashioned names.. > Rosie, Poppy, etc.. surely only a matter of time > before Bruce, Nigel, and Gary become trendy. > (Maybe quite a long time, though...) https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/jayden-is-a-perfectly-normal-name-but-paul-is-weird-eight-year-olds-agree-20181017178382

Last summer, I was at a playground outside of London with my sons...and heard a mother shouting after her runaway toddler....called...."Bruce" Im pretty sure most of my coffee got snorted out my nose....

Around 150 people are killed at work each year. Can we have some silence for them too?

I never said I don't care. Of course I care about my own thoughts:) I agree, it's worth a discussion if nothing else, hence starting the post.....

You're right no one cares what I think. Just the people who have clicked on this thread and read what I think...like you....

Yeah....you are all right. As I said in my OP.....very good reasons....but still....mea culpa....

I know the weekly Thursday clap is sacrosanct in these Covid times - but does anyone else think it's all a bit cringe and tokenistic. This doesn't mean I don't appreciate the efforts of 'our NHS'; and I appreciate that some medics have said it gives them a boost. So in that sense, great that people can help in some small way. Also it's nice that it's brings people together in the same street (well as close as 2metres anyway). But despite these very valid reasons to support it, I still find it all a bit naf.....sorry.....