Sophron

Either one would have been quite satisfying to be honest, if he was carrying a knife then runing him over would be safer, either way my first thoughts are not "poor little kid, doing some bad things for a while" I think that we should see more public spirited civic actions like these to be honest - people might feel a bit safer on the streets then. Oh! and making him eat the phone might have been another option.

Like this Strafer Jack "If I had caught him I would have done him physical harm and I wish that somebody else who did catch him would have done the same" Hows that? Yes, if he's gonna rob, mug, threaten then he deserves a slap OK?

Fantastic - shame he got away. But I'll defo join in with the HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

It's an invasion of privacy, it's trespass on your property, the bin might belong to the council but it's your rubbish and I think it's pretty obvious that they shouldn't be doing it. If I see them I will tell them to F*** Off and take their picture and tell the police. It's not the Favella FFS.

I know, it's really shocking, at least you have reported it though, which was the right thing to do.

Report it to the police, it might seem trivial but they need a record of this type of antisocial behaviour and you never know, it might just prevent it escalating..

janicemuir Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I can't believe this post. What is wrong with you. > You should have some sympathy. What else was going > to happen to contents of the bin anyway? You > really need to get a life and perhaps start > thinking about the way other people have to live. I don?t think ED Love comes across as unsympathetic Janicemuir, quite the opposite in fact. The contents of a bin by definition is rubbish and the point has already made that anything of value would be taken to a charity shop or left out clearly for anyone to take (although I think the charity shop is better qualified to distribute clothing etc.). I agree with those who don?t want people rifling through their rubbish on their property and besides the point about identity theft, I actually think it?s also an invasion of my family?s privacy. The way other people have to live does not extend to pilfering rubbish, as i said earlier - this is not the favela.

Louisa Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Who in their right mind sits on goose green? It's > a cut through for people in the Bellenden area of > Peckham to get to LL, and a toilet for dogs. End > of. It seems the smug middle Englanders want to > turn it into some sort of village green with fetes > and beer festivals. > > Louisa. Sounds good to me as well...

Had my motobike cover (?60 worth) pinched, was tucked behind the bins. On another thread there is a debate about letting people take stuff from bins - your front garden is private and no one should be(except bin men, postman) anywhere near your front door. Yeknomyeknom, it's not your fault that someone piches your stuff, OK it's ill advised to leave stuff unattended but you shouldn't blame yourself, it's the fault of the thief.

I dont think so Lady D., we would take anything of any value to the charity shop, or even offer it on this forum but it's just accepting that strangers are OK to rifle through our bins that I'm not OK about(I'm sure Im not alone here) Despite my motorbike cover vanishing from my own front yard I dont want to think that ID theft or anythng else we've chucked out is being riffled through, sorry but it's not the favela here, if I saw someone going through my bins I would definatley tell them to P--- Off. (loudly)and I'd be perfectly entitled to do so.

Well the harm is that they are making the decision for you as to what wanted or not, thats my choice, on my property! I don't want people going through bins and I haven't invited anyone to come through the gate and take my bike cover coz hey think it's rubbish (or just pinched it) So, yes, thats the harm in going through my bins. Frankly if I saw them I'd tell them to F off.

The thing is that not everything left on a forecourt or drive way is rubbish, I used to leave my motocycle cover behind the bins when I went to go out, someones pinched it. They would have had to come on to my driveway to get to it (the binmen have never touched it and only take the bins to empty). So no, it's not acceptable to rumaage through peoples bins, property, on privet property unless invited - I think thats obvious.

Thanks Admin - that was decent of you, will follow guidance in future.

Hey PT, PM your response, I'd be interested to read it, you clearly care about the issues. Hi Admin, seems a little draconian to delete PT's post, this is a thread about politics after all, I know it's your train set but it takes those like PT to keep it valuable and interesting - just sayin.

Pokertime my observations are based on my own exerience both as an unemployed person and as an employer. My own experience is that there is work for those who want it in London and there are many who sadly don't. JSA and income support requiring proof of effort to get work have, until comparitivly recently, been fairly lax. I'm please we both agree re inward Migration. It's not great for people to have to move to secure employment but I'd rather British citizens gained emloyment by relocating than staying in perpetual economic stagnation while economic migrants from other countrys take the work, often at less than the jobs value and leave their own country in a worse position. I share your frustration with these issues but feel strongly that we must be proactive, I don't believe anyone deserves to be poor and I get vexed by the thought of children growing up poor, with substandard education, without any emloyment prospects. Not as nurses, Doctors, builders - any vocation/trade/occupation where work is being taken by those who are trained and prepared to travel 1000's of miles to secure employment at the expence of people who should be supported and protected by our own government. Frankly there is work in London, not the work that people might ideally wish to do, perhaps not where they live but there are opportunities available - not for all but certainly for many. As I've said I dont believe anyone one deserves to be poor - but if you are then you have a duty to yourself and family to try. I do though accept that the LA/HA have a responsibiity to offer a smaller property as an alternative to withdrawing benefit the alternative doesn't nessecarily have to be in the same area - I woud also add that I believe it is an option to rent additional room to create further income, if the person wishes to stay in that property. I also think that there should be exclusions for disabled, sick or special circumstances. As you say, these are complex problems without easy solutions where many differnt factors converge - but leaving things as thay are would be even more tragic.

Pokertime I didn't say there are jobs out there for all of the unemployed, what I said in my post was that there are a significant minority who could work but won't. This is not a myth, you just have to look. With regard to other parts of the country I'd rather see UK citizens migrating to London for work (or work migrating to the rest of the country rather than overseas) from these areas than people from other countrys(regardless of race, creed, colour, gender, orientation or age). I'd really like our education to be more affective in preparing people for the real world as well, I know it's tough but lives are being ruined by the system letting them down. And where we can agree is that big business must do more to meet basic earning needs, I support an increase to the minimum wage, I'd be much tougher on corporations paying their tax domesticaly rather than off shore, I would legislate for better skills development within employment to increase life chances for people who enter employment. It's a disgrace that we subsidise big business (Sainsburys etc.) when they trouser such vast profits. I'm not bashing the unemployed on mass, I've been one, but I am critical of the acceptance of welfare as a way of life - it's unnacceptable and we need to do more to change the situation. I dont see HA's or LA's (the so called experts) doing enough, the system is not joined up and the waste is shocking(the beuracracy that started our mini debate). I dont pretend there is an easy solution for all of the unemployed but I do contend that those who can work (especially here in London) should work - to help themselves, their fellow citizens and support those who really can't work to make progress.

Pokertime, we are not going to agree, your first sentence doesn't include what I believe is the priority option: "A recipient of ?71 per week is expected to find ?14 out of that to pay bedroom tax (per room)" Or get a job. ?80 per day labouring is what I was earning only six months ago when I was doing that work because business was quiet and my Polish colleague said to me "you are tripping over work in London when you leave your front door" Fundementally I dont agree with the government, locally or nationally, subsidising those who can work but won't. I believe there are a significant minority of those in the position that you describe who could find work, I know that there will still be a housing shortage but it would be easier if people were paying their own rent and making a contribution to the system that funds welfare.... On this I fear we will never agree.

I know Poker Time but we won't agree, my own view is that HA's should be selling off high value stock that they own in areas that have seen double digit capital growth to fund scocial housing building projects(including one bedroom flats). Neither do I accept that "extremely poor and low waged tenants" are all incapable of meeting rent, coucil tax arrears to the tune of ?14.4 million. I do know that in my own dealings with Southwark Council the bureaucracy is astounding so I'm not suprised at the level of arrears. In any event we are off topic and wont agree - I do look forward to the general election though when I believe the results will be very different, even here in London.

Yes, that's right, Southwark Council, the common sense choice (for middle class liberals) fantastic custodians of our wellfare! Council tax arrears @ 23/02/2014 - Almost 8 mil ? [?7,960582.95p] Rent arrears @ January this year ? just over ?16 million. Can't wait for the GE!

Hi Windpower - I'll PM you.

So do I

the-e-dealer Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sophron Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Anger management centre for Ron and Louisa. > > > You not keen on the knocking shop then Well...could it double up as both? It seems there's a lot of up-tight people around here who could do with some sort of release..it's not really my style though.

Anger management centre for Ron and Louisa.

Cash Converters - to keep Louisa happy!

Indeed, very well put Penguin.