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jaywalker Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > the postal votes are neither here nor there - even > in the unlikely event they've been peaked at. They > are about as biased a sample of votes as you can > get - young people don't need them (or even know > about them). > > its like quoting the Spectator for reasoned > insights into the election, or thinking the Daily > Mail is informative or amusing. > > but I know i'm clutching at straws :-( C'mon Jaywalker - don't go all flaccid on us now!

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > robbin Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > rendelharris Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > It's true Corbyn hasn't said > > > he'll ban all young Muslims from leaving the > > > country, and ban any who do (even if they're > > > British born and bred) > > > > No, that trio have been more up for banning MI5 > > and armed Police, or did you choose to 'forget' > > that abject insanity? > > Can you point me to anywhere Corbyn said he'd ban > armed police or Mi5 please Robbin, because Google > doesn't come up with anything. As you well know, Rendel he hasn't - which presumably is why you chose to single him out. As you equally well know, his closest two supporters and until today Shadow Cabinet members (the would be Chancellor and the would be Home Secretary in charge of Police and MI5) both supported disbanding MI5 and armed Police. Corbyn belongs to the same group as them and with full knowledge of their views promoted them to the highest possible positions of potential power in this country. Corbyn clearly is not at all concerned with their stance and in fact has refused to disagree with it or condemn it. He clearly sympathised with them or he would never have contemplated putting them where they are (although obviously passing over your ex-mistress could, I appreciate, be a bit difficult). So, Rendel, you may pick away all you like but you and I and everyone else who is not being purposely intellectually dishonest. knows the point I was making. Until a few months ago (as countless posts of yours show) you would have agreed with me they are a bad bunch to be in power. For some reason, like our would be PM Theresa (who, by the way I do not support) you appear to be happy to make some pretty surprising u-turns when it suits you.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It's true Corbyn hasn't said > he'll ban all young Muslims from leaving the > country, and ban any who do (even if they're > British born and bred) No, that trio have been more up for banning MI5 and armed Police, or did you choose to 'forget' that abject insanity?

Borky Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > robbin Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Each of you middle class lefties and keyboard > > warriors should put your money where your mouth > > is. I'm particularly talking about those of > you > > who over the last few days have been whipping > > yourselves into something resembling teenage > > schoolboy arousal about the 'closing' of the > gap > > in the polls. > > I have placed small bets on a number of outcomes > across a range of bookmakers. I only gamble on > politics .They are now squared with a little bit > of wriggle room I have a minimum profit of ?150 > or so and a higher one of ?1000 for fat tail > outcomes. > > I firmly expect to take at the lower end of the > range if that helps. Not really. The over excited teenage schoolboy arousal has been far more entertaining over the last few days.

They are definitely not always good indicators.

I'm going to lose sleep saying this, as it's you Louisa, but I think you have made yourself clear - Snorky is just being mischievous.

As well as those of you who have spent the last year slagging off Jezza and now appear to have had a road to Damascus moment about him and are praying he becomes PM.

Each of you middle class lefties and keyboard warriors should put your money where your mouth is. I'm particularly talking about those of you who over the last few days have been whipping yourselves into something resembling teenage schoolboy arousal about the 'closing' of the gap in the polls.

Diane certainly seems pretty vacant. It's difficult to call though as she's not the cleverest at the best of times and her tendency to bulls@*t under pressure just makes her look particularly slow. I think she's just full of it and this is a cynical and somewhat desperate move by Jezza, but I may be proved wrong about her being ill. Yes rah - good spot - it is the DM link (pretty obvious though!). If you Google her name and 'kicking a blind man's dog' that what comes up. Not sure of your point, although I could imagine you intended some sort of innuendo? It goes without saying the DM would lay it on thick with a trowel - naturally. That said - it appears elsewhere and she sounds pretty damn rude and up herself!

This report doesn't say she kicked the bling man's dog - she sounds charming. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015202/MP-letter-blast-blind-man-Out-way-Labour-whip-shouts-reporter.html

Why does it matter whether Brown is up to it (if you mean the HS job)? - Diane's only tactically 'out' until she's 'better'. She has not resigned or been replaced in the usual sense. She's just been side-lined (to try to save votes) in a way that doesn't look so embarrassing and obvious as it did yesterday. Her email in response to the fake one speaks volumes! Anyone who is not being intellectually dishonest can see that!! Cynics might say that sleeping with Jezza, back in the day, means she can't be booted out for long.

???? Wrote: > > Anyway, anyone posted Corbyn's views on shoot to > kill or not prosecuting ISIS supporters yet today? > - probably not on the middle-class, sanctimonious, > Virtue signalling toss that dominates the EDF. This! No - complete silence. Just sniping about police numbers. Probably some sanctimonious crap to come in response to this, but there you go, that will just prove your point. Probably some big long clever words too, that we will be told we won't understand, because we are too simple, or too bigoted.

It's highly unlikely that any more police officers would have prevented the attacks the other day. Even Diane's 250,000 extra officers wouldn't have done that - greater intelligence service numbers might have made a difference. I find it distasteful that immediately after the atrocity that just happened, Labour supporters are desperately trying to make political capital out of such horrors by implying (without actually saying) that reduced police numbers somehow contributed to what happened. I think it is disrespectful. It's also pretty shameful when you think that Diane Abbott and John McDonnell were each recently calling for MI5 to be disbanded. JM even called for all armed police to be disbanded. Lucky he didn't get his way before Saturday night. Here he is... https://twitter.com/SCLV_UK/status/583702644738416640/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2F

That's good. Bicycles are the best pick me up. I'd go easy on the blues though.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > But very easy to be a foolish rightwing > libertarian, clearly... Don't > give me some old guff about whether I had a shower > today or not, answer a grownup question. > > By the way, in response to your nonsense above, I > cycled and walked everywhere I needed to go today, > I don't have a TV, I have a wind-up alarm clock, I > use a broom not a vacuum cleaner, I don't have a > dishwasher, I get my electricity (which I use > sparingly) from the greenest supplier possible > despite the fact that it's not the cheapest... Of > course, to you that's being sanctimonious - a > cheap and stupid word used by people who don't > like the idea that other people might make more > effort to be environmentally sound than them. Ooh > aren't I holier than thou - damn' right I am. Ha! Now I'm beginning to understand why you seem so miserable the whole time Rendel. I'll make sure I'm extra nice to you in future! Chin up.

Yawn. Ex Police officer. Peter Kirkham - apparent self-appointed 'commentator'. Describes himself on Twitter profile as "Former police officer & commentator on policing issues. Top Rantologist. Fuckwit intolerant". Here he is defending the indefensible of police conduct (Hillsborough cover up, Ian Tomlinson cover up, Jean Charles de Menezes cover up) and getting a roasting from Carole Malone of the Mirror on the BBC's Sunday Politics Show. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-24610229/police-trust-debate-carole-malone-and-peter-kirkham He wasn't quite so mouthy then!

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Another one (referred to as Abs the press) was > reported multiple times, thrown out of his mosque > and pictured with a ISIS flag in Regents Park... > He's the same one - the one who was on the Channel 4 documentary about Jihadi's living in Britain. I fail to understand why his preaching and following of such hatred based on extremist religious beliefs is tolerated in a country which is supposed to protect the interests of minority groups such as the LGBT community. We seem to have taken several backward steps allowing such intolerance to become so entrenched. I find it very depressing.

The EU has not really helped overall Spanish employment. Loads of people have left Spain to try to find work as a result of this. Unemployment rate in Spain averaged 16.55 percent from 1976 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 26.94 percent in the first quarter of 2013 Youth unemployment rate in Spain averaged 34.64 percent from 1986 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 56.20 percent in April of 2013 and a record low of 17.20 percent in February of 2007

I didn't read it that way RH - I thought he was being sarcastic. I might be wrong, but that's how it came across to me, in the context of the recent TV interviews. Anyway, while I don't like or agree with what UG posts, I'm not sure the personalabuseometer needs to hit that level does it? It makes you sound quite nasty and abusive, which I'm sure is not the case. I'm guessing you would never dream of speaking so abusively to someone in the pub or the street? If you did, I'd be very surprised, not to mention a little shocked.

I saw that interview on BBC and Sky earlier today - his neighbour saying he was a really nice guy 'most of the time' - they went to the park together and hung out, he said. The same 'nice guy' is being reported as having featured on the Channel 4 documentary last year about Jihadis in Britain. He was filmed arguing with a police officer after unfurling a black flag in Regent's Park in the company of a couple of fundamentalist preachers. If that is true, he was hardly hiding his extreme religious views.

Jaywalker said: "Emma Thornberry was very effective on Newsnight last night. She is certainly in command of her brief and has a good rapport with the audience. Not seen her before." Did you miss snobby Lady Thornberry of Islington getting sacked from the shadow cabinet during the last election for sneering in a "drippingly patronising" manner (to quote Nick CLegg) on Twitter at the White Van Man and his English flag? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/nick-clegg/11250430/Emily-Thornberrys-white-van-Tweet-was-drippingly-patronising-Nick-Clegg-says.html Yeah, she's great - just the sort of person who I want in power (not).

I hoped I would never, ever, have to read a post containing the words "fingered" and "Farage" in the same sentence.

You said - "Why do you care anyway? You won and you're getting your way - shouldn't you be pleased?" What are you talking about? If you bothered to actually read my post, you would have seen that I was objecting to what I thought was someone's offensive, condescending sneering at the 'simpletons' who voted Leave. As I said in my post - "I didn't vote to leave, but I must confess that I find your sort of pompous sneering intolerable and embarrassing." So, (as I didn't vote to Leave) I suggest you lay off the knee-jerk reactionary response and save it for some 'simpleton' that you think was 'stupid' enough to vote Leave! That's 2 bad points. Maybe stop digging?

Can't answer the other questions, but as to the last one, it's not just juries that Jaywalker thinks are inferior to him/her. Maybe that's a clue.

Seriously - you 'dunno'? Then I suggest you go and read a bit. A huge number of commentators have suggested the Brexit leave vote was to some extent a reaction to the sneering of the metropolitan liberal elite living in their bubble. I'm amazed you have not seen that anywhere. Oh, by the way, quoting that particular statistic about London, completely misses the point that not everyone in London is part of the (sneering) liberal elite. It is therefore a very bad point.