robbin

... and to ensure it was covered up, so far as possible!

Whoever would have thought that politicians might not act with 'the highest standards'! I can't see all that many of them acting up to even ordinary standards - no matter which party they are in. How long is it since the massive expenses (fraud) scandal? Lobbying scandal? Child sex abuse allegations (at least some of which appear to be accepted as true - e.g. Cyril Smith). Anti-Semitism/racism? Keith Vaz (he can have his very own category!). Now this sort of boorish (at best) conduct - behaviour which has hardly been a secret around Westminster and for those in the press. Not to mention the toe curling amount of hypocrisy emanating from them as they make speeches and laws regulating how the rest of us live and behave.

teddyboy23 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Shut up and here's my face 🐻 Rendel? Is that you?

Compulsion to have the last word? I refer to my last post.

Is that a big marijuana plant growing to the right hand side of your driveway? If so, what street are you on please? ;)

Nice try, but I think you know what a straw man is - it's an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. That is the reason you will not get a dignifying response and you can endlessly purport to have 'won' your argument all you like - I still won't dignify it with a response. My point as you well know was about bullying. The only time you have addressed that point has been to say that I acted in a similar manner some time last year. As a defence that's pretty meaningless - even assuming everything in your favour, it doesn't even get past the 'two wrongs don't make a right' test!

Rendel, you are coming across as hysterical and your straw man argument is hopelessly transparent. I'm not going to dignify it with a response, no matter how many times you try to push it. Having said that, by all means PM me if you feel the need to carry on complaining, but I think it's time to take a breath, calm down and leave this thread to the subject of ageism.

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Try not to get too worked-up Rendel (or should I call you 'RENDEL'). I think you've missed (or maybe just tried to side-step?) the point.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Whatever Robbin. Enjoy your moral authority, but > I'm afraid I - personally - see so many holes in > your arguments that it's like Swiss cheese, and > for that I refer you to my comments earlier on > this thread. Sorry JL - you lost me. What arguments? I just observed that someone might be being the subject of bullying. I'm not sure what 'arguments' you are referring to!

Good for you Rendel. I recall you making that point previously. I'm not sure that bullying isn't bullying just because someone uses his or her own name, though. I'll take your word for that being your real name. If it is, I am envious - you have managed to avoid having any obvious footprint on the internet - even apparently avoiding any Google hits. When you say "unlike you and Uncle" I don't know whether lumping us together was intended as some sort of spin, but in case it is, I should point out that the vast majority of people on the Forum don't use their own name, not just me and UG. I can also add that I often don't agree with UG's position, but that doesn't mean I feel some reactionary compulsion to be extremely abusive and rude towards him. Indeed, I don't feel the need to take UG's 'side' at all - I neither know him, nor (usually) agree with him. I was merely saying that a disinterested outside observer would probably think there was bullying. I think (as JL implies) we have different 'tolerances' and I understand that others would disagree with me. Personally, if I do have a lower 'tolerance' for personal abuse or bullying than others have, I'm not going to feel bad about that, whatever spin anyone may wish to put on it.

But, I would venture a guess that if this was a pub rather than an anonymous internet forum, half of the vitriol and personal abuse would not be uttered, or at least I would hope it wouldn't, because it would be anti-social and unpleasant to have to witness it in person.

Indeed.

I think a disinterested outside observer would take the view that UG is the subject of bullying on this forum. I cringe whenever I see he has posted something, because I know that within minutes the usual suspects will have formed an armchair mob and will line up to be incredibly rude to him - the sort of direct abuse that if said in a pub would probably lead to violence, or at least (in any event) would be something a bystander would not want to witness on a night out. Even if UG actually posts something bland or unobjectionable he draws responses to the effect that his latest post is not as bigoted and vile as he and his usual posts are! While I don't agree with some of what he posts, the responses of others carry more than a whiff of bullying and ganging up on him. Admin seems to let it go though, so maybe I am out of touch with what is acceptable conduct.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > JohnL Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Rumours Catalan President has flown to Brussels > > (in exile) > > > > Rebellion, sedition, and provocation charges? > Ridiculous. If a Catalan equivalent of ETA rise, > they will only have the Spanish PM to blame. Quite - and such a group could be far larger and better funded than ETA ever was. The Spanish PM's judgment is questionable, I think (quite apart from his well known love of the torturing of bulls to death for entertainment). Instinctively he seems to prefer macho displays of strength and power. I hope he at least has learnt a lesson from the backlash which came from when he sent in the thugs for the 'referendum'. Violence is far more likely to trigger further violence. I imagine Nicola Sturgeon is now appreciating that Spain meant what it said about vetoing Scotland being admitted to the EU, had Scotland left the UK. Spain is extremely sensitive about this subject because of the separatist movements in the Basque, Galician and Catalan provinces.

Basement

Maybe they will replace the sticky carpets - then everyone will be a winner!

Dog

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > robbin Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Yes, he's full of it. He'll just say anything > or > > do anything if he thinks there's a vote in it > for > > him. > > Thank God we have May and Boris in charge for us > then, they've never hypocritically shifted their > positions on the EU to stay in power, have they?! Ah, come on Rendel - you are better than that! Posing that accusative question while ignoring what I said in a post 1 minute later (which I posted deliberately to head off the usual reactionary comments) is a bit misleading isn't it? Or did you overlook me saying "Just like Theresa May and so many other politicians"? Fair enough if you overlooked it, otherwise...

Just like Theresa May and so many other politicians, but there's something particularly distasteful about the way he likes to take na?ve people for mugs.

Yes, he's full of it. He'll just say anything or do anything if he thinks there's a vote in it for him.

Boobs

Unfortunately the system wouldn't (because in reality it can't).

I have no doubt that my biggest danger as a cyclist (in terms of likelihood of an accident) is colliding with a pedestrian crossing the road irresponsibly. Their smart phone is usually the reason - people heading to or from work pass the time online, or texting/emailing and some just don't look before stepping out, sometimes when you are right on top of them. They must think because there is no traffic noise there's nothing on the road. That, or they are in a world of their own - either way it's very dangerous even when you cycle defensively (which I do). I'm sure this must apply to children crossing while distracted by smartphones too.

It is widely reported that they all had 'numerous' previous criminal convictions starting in their early teens and were also at the time of their robberies subject to criminal behaviour orders (and so were apparently completely unconcerned about those as well).