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I agree RH with your (A) - my comment was somewhat tongue in cheek (although I confess I do not like the incumbent Mayor). It was The Donald that was first (or one of the first) to mischaracterise his quote on good old Twitter. I do think he has failed properly to engage with what is plainly an increasing violent crime rate in London. The prevalence of acid attacks, mopeds and/or bikes being used as a launching pad for street robbery and the horrendous levels of gang murders/stabbings, seem to me not to have drawn a firm enough or coordinated response from him. I appreciate, of course, that he is not the only person with responsibility for tackling crime and quality of life in the capital, but it is clearly within his remit and he does have responsibility for it. I bet you a pound to a penny that if the violent crime rate was falling, he would be putting out press releases taking at least some of the credit! Out of interest, where did you get that stop and search quote from? If you are referring to his interview in The Evening Standard in 2015 (which I accept you might not be), you appear to have misquoted what appears there (the words you put in bold type don't appear in that sentence). Clearly it was his opinion that stop and search was being overused, but the fact remains that he wanted to cut stop and search. Given that there is no absolute definition of 'overuse' (it is an opinion, not a fact) in any event I'm not sure it is any defence of his position to say he was just wanting to cut down on it's overuse, because whether it is overused or not is just his opinion. He has more recently announced (in 2018) that he wants stop and search to be substantially increased (in response to the huge number of gang murders by stabbings) but that change belies the folly in his original approach. He was originally saying it should be curtailed as it was racially discriminatory. As I understand it, he now says it should be 'geographically targeted'. Well, I'm afraid I can't see how that approach is not also going to discriminate in the same way, given the profile of most of the geographic areas in question.

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > robbin Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Indeed. It could certainly apply to this > > particular thread! It has to be by far the most > > self-serving one on here. > > So what exactly do you find 'self-serving' about > it? Pretty much the whole content (which is generally only a few posters). I think JoeLeg summed it up perfectly when he said: "To be fair most *online* ?debate? about Brexit is pretty self-serving. It tends to exist in one echo chamber or another, consisting mostly of people reinforcing each other?s views about whatever stance they hold and arguing vociferously with interlopers who go against their flow. We?re just of guilty of that here, and I include myself in that."

That's a disingenuous wind-up remark, Alice - please remind me of where/when anybody on this thread said cities were crime free?

Indeed. It could certainly apply to this particular thread! It has to be by far the most self-serving one on here.

I imagine Mr Khan probably takes the view that it's just part and parcel of living in a big city.

I don't - but I read newspapers (remember them?) and nonsense that has appeared from all sorts of quarters on Twitter is often reported.

Wait until Trump figures out he can do that!

I thought the nature of Twitter was people writing narcissistic and/or self-serving (and generally meaningless) drivel in the mistaken, but certain belief that anyone else gives a t*ss! Btw, I can't see how that blurb was written on Twitter - isn't the maximum character limit about 280 - that article is well over 10 times that.

and long overdue.

diable rouge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Forget about all the soundbites, Brexit is > ultimately a legal process. This by > @davidallengreen sums up where we are from a legal > perspective... > > Are you kidding me - most of the musings from DAG are in the nature of soundbites!

How?

Tasering is also a very dangerous method which could end up with a murder, particularly if these scumbags are targeting elderly people.

Attempted armed robbery. That's horrendous. I hope the victim isn't too traumatised.

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Maybe what the CPS prosecute under (theft or > robbery) depends on what they think they can get a > conviction on. > > A situation where an accomplice causes you to > crash after which someone steals your bike may be > difficult to pin the robbery charge especially if > they use underage youngsters to cause the > 'accident'. > > Indeed they do - the CPS are often accused of 'under-charging' to get an easy conviction. Cynics sometimes say it's for the performance statistics to make them look good - an easy conviction (or a gleeful guilty plea on a lesser charge) looks good on the conviction rates stats. Perhaps that's less good for society though. My point was only that there is a big difference between theft (e.g. cutting a lock and stealing a bike) and robbery, which involves using violence or the threat of violence/causing fear of violence to someone riding a bike as a means of robbing it. On this thread we were discussing cases where people have been riding a bike and been deliberately forced off it before it is stolen. On the facts that's plain and obvious robbery, not theft. What the CPS decide to charge (on the rare occasion anyone is actually caught) is a different issue altogether.

Thanks James, but this is a thread about robbery, not bike theft, or do you mean to refer to robbery and attempted robbery? Obviously, robbery is far more serious than theft, as is reflected in the punishment if convicted.

lavender27 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Why is it outrageous? If you replaced Dutch with > Black, they would come down on you like a tonne of > bricks. Sense of humour bypass alert!

There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.

Alison 999 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I believe the person below ?Beansprout? to Be a > rogue poster. > See our correspondence below. > From: beansprout > To: Alison 999 > Date: 10/06/2018 17:00 > > Thank you .... I won?t beuding your services - > pity as I could havesdivusedsone help with my > business > > Alison 999 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > beansprout Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Alison 999 Wrote > > > let?s put it this way ... I do know that only > 3 > > species of the > > Poison Dart Frog are deadly to humans! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you - do you know anything about fogs? > > Had > > > one???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > beansprout Wrote: > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > Would you be interested in some puppy > > > sitting? > > > > Are > > > > > you DBS checked and what would you > > charge?Am > > > in > > > > > ED? What dirt of age are you - no offence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In reply to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 0,1942902,1942902#msg-1942902 > > > > > > > > > > Alison 999 Wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > > > > > Available Now for the Summer Months for > > > > > Private > > > > > > House PA Work, Cleaning, > > Driving/Shopping, > > > > > Looking > > > > > > after Kids and Day to Day Gardening. No > > > Job > > > > too > > > > > > much!!I live in West Norwood and > > references > > > > can > > > > > be > > > > > > checked > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > I am 57, but alert and fit!!! > > > > To my knowledge I am not DBS checked, but > may > > > well > > > > have been when I worked 9 years for > > > > The chairman/ CIO of a hedge fund. > > > > I am forward a cv and telephone numbers or > > even > > > > drive down and see you! > > > > For puppy sitting it would be ?10 -12 ph. > > > > Depending on how many dogs 🐕 > > > > Kind regards > > > > Alu > Alison - Poison Dart Frogs??????? Really?! Could you seriously not work out that when (in response to an offer of dog sitting) Beansprout said "Thank you - do you know anything about fogs? Had one????" she mistyped 'dogs'? After all, the subject matter was 'dogs' (not 'frogs)!! Also, 'f' is next to 'd' on any keyboard, so with respect it was pretty obvious what Beansprout was intending to say.

Keep 'em coming - there's only 2.9 million people in South London - I'm bound to recognise one eventually...

Are you seriously such a slave to your mobile device that you couldn't wait 30 seconds (while you parked) before reading your text?

By intermittent, do you mean every 3 or 4 minutes?

ESPH's gym was lovely and cool (and fly free) today. Might be worth a try?

Indeed. Enjoy Charente. At least with the house prices being similar to those in Middlesborough, you should be able to afford to pay that bit extra in the shops (and tip heavily in the restaurants) to try to secure the requisite level of fawning service you expect.

Elphinstone's Army Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Would like to point out something which should not > be necessary - > that Paris does not represent France any more than > ?that London? represents England, Fair enough, but why do you think it is 'necessary' to point that out? Unless I've missed something there is nothing whatsoever on this thread where anyone suggests otherwise, so I'm struggling to see why it might be 'necessary' or even relevant to point it out.

Is there a point to all that hyperbolic meandering - who are the two internet characters you are referring to at such great length?! (or did I misread your post?)