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It's the one that's down the road from Box Hill. Box Hill is a fair bit easier, I have found. Leith Hill is not by any means the hardest climb in the SE, but it is reasonably challenging for those like me who are not exactly what you would call hill climbers! I know what you mean about the masochism involved with cycling and hills though! It does tend to kick in after a while.

rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Hopefully halfway up Leith Hill on the Surrey > Loop, but generally, in the words of Michelle > Shocked, "Anywhere but here" - here being within > range of any television showing the > sycophancyfest. In my experience, half way down Leith Hill is preferable to being half way up!

Lynne Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...I was merely trying to differentiate > to robbin the difference between a fact and an > opinion. Thanks Lynne, but with respect that is also a little disingenuous, given that you have just agreed that what you were asserting earlier on were "just facts" are in reality your opinions. In any event, professionally I grapple with differentiating fact from opinion on a weekly, if not daily basis, so I think I'm ok on that score. Anyway, time to get back on topic?

Yes, more work, less browsing.

Quite - and let's not forget that a huge number of people were taken in (quite reasonably/honestly) by what turned out to be misleading intelligence, including a good number of the (majority) of MPs that voted. That doesn't mean they were responsible for any wrongdoing, or anything deserving of censure. I don't recall Tessa ever being accused of sexing up a dossier or bullying anyone in relation to the Iraq vote. To me she seemed like a good person and a decent MP, the likes of which I wish we had more of.

In (slightly) poor taste, in light of the timing. Also, almost all of what you listed, I think were good things (e.g. extended drinking hours, Olympics) - so in reality those are just your opinions - not "just a few facts".

I'm afraid I can't muster an ounce of interest in what that UN 'expert' has to say on the issue.

That was unlucky, but it's good advice. Having said that, it's not often that many animals are taken out of VCF. The weekend of the Lambeth Country Show is one - VCF has a large presence there, so that weekend will be one (21-22 July). The Dulwich Fair (or whatever it is called) at Dulwich Park has also seen a reasonable VCF animal presence in the past (not sure what VCF's presence will be this year).

And btw, a stranger aggressively shouting at someone in a park, in the manner described, may amount to a crime. Perhaps not a serious crime, but a crime nonetheless. If you think otherwise (i.e. that shouting is not, per se, capable of being a crime) then you are wrong.

dogdish Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ...the way people who weren't there are piling in with > derogatory comments... ...I don't know what happened but for goodness sake please stop all > this mindless condemnation and apply some emotional intelligence. See the irony in what you just said there, dogdish?

flocker spotter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > its a meeting of minds on here. Huh?

... oh, and maybe not the best skiing destination if you are gay! Each to their own though - some people are not bothered by discrimination, or would have no difficulty in economically supporting it through tourism - being able to rationalise it as just a 'cultural' thing or by pointing out that there are other countries also in the dark ages from a social or human rights perspective. Btw Malumbu, I'm not sure I understand your first two sentences. If you mean, didn't we vote for inequality between genders, discrimination against LGBT people, etc. the answer is 'no' (unless there has been some weird election I didn't notice was going on)!

Hmmm, I see that article is written by a man, so to add some balance (some of the things he didn't mention)... let's not forget worryingly segregated ski lifts (no mixing with your wife or girlfriend), worryingly alcohol free apr?s ski (and worryingly quiet - music and dancing both being prohibited) and worryingly unequal treatment of the men and women in your ski party (women are not permitted to ski unless accompanied by their father, brother or husband). All good if that's not a problem for you. However, if you like the conventional apr?s ski beer, or your wife or girlfriend have a thing about being treated equally, you may want to factor those issues into your decision on destination.

I can't believe it took someone so long to make the predictable crass comment on this thread! I've never owned or driven an Audi, but I can't say I can see anything particularly objectionable about them or how they are driven. Is your objection to them based on the fact they are German?

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Cardelia Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > JohnL Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > I absolutely detested the way my last vote > > for > > > > Labour was used by Theresa May as an > > endorsement > > > > of Brexit - disgusting. > > > > > > Well, what do you expect when you vote for a > > party > > > that backs Brexit? > > > > > > I understand that not everyone who voted for > > > Labour wanted to leave the EU. But if you > felt > > > that strongly about Brexit, why did you vote > for > > a > > > party which was committed to leaving the EU? > > > > Exactly. As per the point I made earlier, the > > Brexiters are making their vote count. Leavers > > are still voting all over the shop - and some > of > > them are voting Labour, which is, essentially, > a > > vote for Brexit. Especially as their leader is > a > > committed Brexiter and always has been. > > Well my original plan was cause chaos, get rid of > May and avert catastrophe by the skin of our teeth > as public opinion changed. > > There's a vote on the single market in the Lords > today - with the Labour front bench abstaining. > Might still pass - but I don't want us to be in > the single market and customs union - I want us to > be back in and leading the EU. That makes it sound like you are living in some sort of na?ve fantasy world. As if we were ever "leading the EU" to begin with!

Fair point!

VCF is a fantastic place - maybe it's an over-used term, but I think it truly is a hidden gem. The music nights are quite a new innovation, but so far have been very well attended and I've heard a lot of good feedback about them. On a sunny day there are few better places to take children to have fun and to meet (and learn about) the animals, learn about food etc. at the same time. It's free entry too (although donations are always welcome).

Reg Smeeton Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In April the number of properties for sale in SE22 > on Rightmove was 220. It's now just over 300. > Supply is going up and/or demand going down. My > prediction in April was that prices would be 10% > below their peak by this autumn (peak having been > reached around Jan/Feb this year), and I'm > sticking to it. In other words, a place that would > have gone for ?1m at the start of 2016, will soon > 'only' be going for ?900k. Out of interest - Zoopla is telling me our house has risen in value by 8.1% since your prediction of a 10% fall 2 years ago.

flocker spotter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?5 > ,1931142 > > Mental > > is this just off the cuff throwaway term based on > generations of hand me down tropes or worse? Slow news day? Nothing any good on daytime tv and Sky Plus is busted?

I've pm'd you my card details and PIN.

Jules-and-Boo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > so I guess the answer to the question, robbin, is > No, you haven't tried silk bedding. Wrong guess. I have - didn't much care for it - too slippy and not comfortable enough. Good quality white linen (the sort you get in a nice hotel) is my preference - crisp, but soft, comfortable, neither hot nor cold - worth spending extra money on, I think - after all you spend an awful lot of time next to your bed linen.

No. They are local elections.

Ha ha! - be my guest Louisa!

It's unlikely to make any material difference.