northernmonkey

Is that so - or is it that the "one" groups are actually at least a partially organised network with weekly calls between them to share insights across areas?

Its a small amount of people over 65 in the area - not of people incentivised (by their own dislike of the measures) to attend. Its standard that in any consultation process or feedback that there is a skew towards those who are dissatisfied. Look at trip advisor!

A small selection of older people who were incentivised to join a council call made a number of claims. I totally agree they are real concerns for those people. This doesn't mean its a real concern for all older people - or indeed that they're representative. The concerns need to be considered, assessed and if adjustments need to be made they should be. That doesn't mean that all comments made apply to all older people.

I think thats a perception that One Dulwich are pushing and may be true for some people, but similarly know lots of older people who find it much improved. These issues aren't black and white.

Whilst I agree that there is much more that should be done to enhance walking within the borough, including getting wheelie bins off the streets, replacing uneven pavements, enforcing no parking on dropped kerbs to ensure accessibility, widening pavements at pinch points where possible, taking action where hedges overgrow the footpath etc, I also don't think its fair to say nothing has been done to enhance walking. Thinking about local schemes, the pavement on Calton by the building site is really very narrow. It used to be that 2 people would struggle to pass but they had to stay on the tiny stretch as cars dominated the rest of the road and it was really unsafe. Now its much enhanced for pedestrians. Similarly, the crossing at the bottom of Calton next to Dulwich Village used to be a phased crossing forcing pedestrians to wait for 2 separate signals with a refuge in the middle of 3 or 4 lanes of traffic. Again much improved. I also often see people walking in the road on the filtered streets around East Dulwich Station rather than having to stick to the pavements full of wheelie bins. I do agree that the fact there is no pedestrian phase at the L Lane / South Circular junction is ridiculous though!

All of them. The charging doesnt start until 8am

Redemption roasters looked nice inside today and was doing good trade but my take away was they weren?t quite ready to be open and had a lot of teething issues so might sort themselves out in a couple of weeks. The cheese shop next to au ciel is really coming on in terms of fit out so hopefully open soon. Also looking forward to Megan?s opening and heard something about a wine bar next door to it too. So much opening in Dulwich Village!

I?ve also looked for this TFL data and can?t find it. My assumption is that heartblock has seen mention of it and repeated it without checking it exists. Of course this may be incorrect and heartblock can provide links. Let?s see

Ok- was trying not to duplicate - but let?s play this out. This nursery is going to be expensive per day and I?d imagine it?s main attraction as a site is proximity to ED station. So let?s say for example you live on Crystal Palace Road and you have a 1 year old and a job in the city. You can?t drive to the nursery and park there all day until you return as there is a cpz surrounding it. You could I suppose try to park somewhere near to but outside the cpz (in which case you?re unlikely to drive on East Dulwich Grove at all) and there aren?t v many spaces on that side anywhere? Alternatively is your theory that you would drive to nursery, drop off (and pay for cpz parking whilst you do) and then drive home, then walk back to the station?

There is a separate thread on the nursery, but this conversation spans from that- where are they all going to park. You can?t just tip out small kids and drive off, drop off takes a while.

My point is not that all children have attended for all days. But that there have been many months of full capacity (years 7-11) over the past academic year to understand whether dropping off on tell and MG South is an issue (haven?t heard anything to suggest it was) so it?s not clear why it would suddenly become an issue next academic year

The school has had all years on site 7-11 this past year. Next year will be the first year of the sixth form. Cant imagine that?s a year that would suddenly start to be dropped off, so the point still stands that if Tell Grove and Melbourne Grove South weren?t an issue re being used for drop off last academic year, there is no reason why this coming academic year should be different

You were saying that it would remain to be seen in sept, as to whether Tell Grove and MGS became a drop off for Charter. My point was that the road changes were put in last September (sept 2020) and so there has already been a whole academic year with school in session so why would it be different come Sept?

Elite cycling at Crystal Palace underneath the athletics stands do them as do cadence cycling at Crystal Palace. No personal experience of either though I?m afraid

I think you?re referring to my comment on the nursery thread and if so you have misunderstood. The comment was that charter had been running over the last academic year not over the summer

Why have we ?yet to see?? The school has been in session most of last year and the road layout / cpz in place. Going back to the nursery, you can?t just leave the engine running and drop off babies and toddlers, you have to park, take them in, hand them over etc so back again to where are all these cars (that are enough of a problem to oppose planning) going to park? There is obviously the time between 7:30-8 where they could park in the cpz, but otherwise would have to pay to drop off each day, which is generally enough of a deterrent especially as they couldn?t then leave the car all day anyway as the Max pay by phone is shorter than the controlled hours (I think) first mate Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > We have yet to see if Tell Grove and Melbourne > Grove South (just behind the barrier)become drop > off points for Charter in September. The layout of > the roads at that point allows cars to turn quite > easily. I do agree that dropping off babies and > toddlers would take more time.

Thought this article might be useful for those who have suggested that EV take up / ulez will be the answer: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-56748346?fbclid=IwAR3rz2S5QTsyDH-2XwHE7xPbzynmn0LT1OMMCpVQtx60tWSOT3Bc9XoKzNQ

The streets surrounding the nursery are all controlled parking with the exception of Melbourne grove south. Walking along there every day there really doesn?t look to be any parking there, so where will all these people be parking? And where are they driving back to. The whole advantage of the site really is it?s proximity to the station. If there was no CPZ I would think the concerns re driving would be valid as parents likely to drive, drop off and leave cars until pick up, but with the CPZ this seems unlikely.

They have leafleted the area and have posters up - I can't imagine its all the opposition, but it will be a significant proportion.

I get mine from Jones too- they grind them to order which is great and they have a good range

It?s interesting Heartblock, that your recollection is that the traffic was never at a standstill pre LTN. I guess it?s possible that you don?t recall it being like that, that you used to go to work at a different time or something. My recollection is of constant queueing traffic westbound each morning in rush hour and I?ve seen video footage from others backing this up. The thing that is hard to reconcile is that your own posting history on this forum includes ?there is either long queues of traffic at rush hour or speeding traffic at other times? . So which one isn?t true?

Is there too much traffic in Dulwich - yes, do we need to do something about it - also yes. The increases you post are worrying re EDG- further monitoring could tell us whether they actually affect the whole stretch. Its clear that there are increase over the monitoring point by Lordship Lane. This doesn't necessarily mean there has been an increase on the section between Melbourne and Townley Road. In fact its possible that volumes may have fallen in that stretch as a result of the changes. This is why proper monitoring at different points is very important to understand what has happened as a result of these changes. No one pro LTNs is suggesting they are all of the solution - we need much more funding for active travel and public transport, much less road funding, but also need to be aware of what is within the remit of local council's to do. National government must do much more.

I think that getting back on topic, the point originally raised in terms of whether there is space for cycling and cars on our roads and how the 'sharing the space' is going has been significantly impacted by the growth in vehicle size. For all the comments of 'they're the same size as a normal car' - maybe in comparison to a monster truck, but i think in virtually all cases the SUV is considerably wider than the previous type of vehicle it replaces. The height that is applauded for 'ease of getting babies in and out of the car' is the same thing that means that small children are invisible to drivers of these vehicles and also accounts for greater head injury to pedestrians. The increased weight results in greater tyre wear and damage to roads - so more particulate matter and more cost and carbon cost re road upkeep. Its clear that SUVs are nice to drive and be a passenger in so its unlikely that people en masse are going to stop buying them. The 'keeping me and my family safe' is often their selling point. However, what this does mean is that there need to be measures in cities to protect pedestrians and cyclists from increasing danger and filtering side streets, putting in segregated infrastructure on main roads, having better and greater enforcement of speeding etc is critical.

I don't think they're vain or status seeking - more they've become normalised and accepted. Many manufacturers have phased out normal 'family sized' cars and only produce SUVs so they've essentially become 'what people drive'. There is also the fact that the growing number of SUVs already on the streets makes it more likely that people will buy SUVs too - because the 'higher position makes it easier to see round the other cars' etc. Also people believe that they're safer for them driving and their families as occupants.

Its the old constitutional club building virtually opposite Elsie Road