northernmonkey

It was Coriander I think.

No - I think those advocating for change are advocating for far far fewer of them to be driven around within cities! Also - I'm not sure that many of the cars that are driven these days have better outcomes for pedestrians - in fact SUVs have much worse outcomes. Thats if the driver can see you at all. With SUVs forecast to represent 40% of all new car sales this is something that should concern us all. https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/oct/07/a-deadly-problem-should-we-ban-suvs-from-our-cities

It is a privately held building and i suspect that if it doesn't become a nursery the next step is likely to be turning the whole thing into flats! I'd much rather that it became a community theatre and arts space but no one has the funding for something like that, so a nursery isn't terrible. The provider looks good, they seem to do more than the core nursery bit and actually do community events too and there is a dearth of quality childcare in the area - as evidenced by the amount of people who drag their kids over to West Dulwich to Nellys nursery etc.

Don't disagree - everyone would prefer the data to be released with a clear statement about when further releases will be. Also would be good to understand if monitoring is in place but no data reported why this is the case.

I don't think Southwark is withholding data 'for East Dulwich Grove' given it hasn't released any further data at all. I wasn't clear at the meetings I went to that an exact date was given for the pollution data, but it would be helpful to see it along with the further traffic volume data that was discussed.

Having heard Prof Stephen Holgate speak on a number of occasions, I also know that he would caution against using individual air quality monitor readings, being very clear that this is a hugely complex area and cannot be simplified to getting a monitor and recording one off peaks for inference. There are many different factors that will affect monitoring including building works, weather, localised activity (eg a bbq / cleaning etc) In addition - he also says that the best thing everyone can do is stop driving. He isn't hedging his bets - saying its ok if you lead a busy life etc. He's clear. We need to walk more and drive less. heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I will take Prof Stephen Holgate?s information on > this matter as the more valid information. Peaks > in pollution can trigger severe asthma attacks. > > The same peaks that have been measured on ED Grove > morning and evening during the school run. > > If you work in medicine, you know that we don?t > work in ?facts? we work with evidence.

Not indulging in fantasy. Quoting the monitoring data to date. When then next lot is released I?ll then look at that data too! ab29 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lordship Lane did not see fall in traffic. Unless > you have lived on LL long enough to be able to > compare the before and after, you are indulging in > fantasy while in reality people have to put up > with consequences of this ridiculous experiment. > > Go to LL, knock on peoples doors, ask in the shops > - you will see what people really think, > > > northernmonkey Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > With the exception of East Dulwich Grove all > those > > streets saw falls in traffic post LTN. > > > > The East Dulwich Grove data needs more work and > > more monitoring as have seen analysis showing > that > > its possible that the amount of traffic between > MG > > and Townley actually fell since the last > > monitoring. More detailed monitoring needed > on > > EDG to understand what is happening. > > > > > > > > heartblock Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Healthy streets as dictated by LCC and a few > > key > > > stakeholders.. but not residents of Croxted, > > Vale, > > > Grove or Lane.. but you know, if you are in > you > > > are in....and if you are not in the 'in > crowd' > > > then you deserve traffic and > > pollution...meanwhile > > > let's sell of any Council Housing in 'posh' > > areas > > > and build on the green spaces on those poorer > > > estates.....

With the exception of East Dulwich Grove all those streets saw falls in traffic post LTN. The East Dulwich Grove data needs more work and more monitoring as have seen analysis showing that its possible that the amount of traffic between MG and Townley actually fell since the last monitoring. More detailed monitoring needed on EDG to understand what is happening. heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Healthy streets as dictated by LCC and a few key > stakeholders.. but not residents of Croxted, Vale, > Grove or Lane.. but you know, if you are in you > are in....and if you are not in the 'in crowd' > then you deserve traffic and pollution...meanwhile > let's sell of any Council Housing in 'posh' areas > and build on the green spaces on those poorer > estates.....

Yes - its easy to say that this is totally unacceptable - it is. However, "I presume he was going down the road doing this to all the houses and then leaving the signs on the cars outside the house?" Well no - there were loads of signs on that road and seemingly only this one removed and put (again weirdly) on their car. Its not a house with a drive and the parking outside is full. Though it was the only SUV so maybe it was an unlucky coincidence for them).

Nice presumption again Rockets. I think that the answer was 'no' that's not what happened. This is old footage and seems to be the only place its happened despite there being other signs on that stretch of road. Odd behavior yes, part of a wider pattern and happening to all houses displaying signs - no. The only other place I'd heard of was on Croxted after one of the England matches, but given people had been in the pub watching the football its hard to work out if its normal levels of post football euphoria vandalism or something more targeted. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That'll be one of those pesky kids with their > chalk again......;-) > > Nice clear shots though....I wonder if anyone > knows him....... I presume he was going down the > road doing this to all the houses and then leaving > the signs on the cars outside the house? > > It's beyond pathetic - just as damaging the > planters is. The idiots on both sides really need > to grow up.

Thats good news re the old chemists - will be great to have something that generates footfall in that section otherwise its a bit empty or estate agents.

It would be infinitely better if Southwark had a public record of FOI requests -the amount of duplicates must be staggering. I suspect its annoying for all concerned - even councilors / officers as the information made public may be something they need. I think that the council has been asked about maintaining a log before but no progress has been made

Given that you were apparently shopping on Lordship Lane and the permit parking ends on Zenoria /Matham St then this is a confusing statement. You were trying to park near the station to shop on Lordship Lane? Also -there are pay and display bays which are generally available. So the solutions you had were 1) pay for parking in a pay and display bay, 2) walk to the shops, 3) park slightly further away and walk. It seems that you found a place on the lane - but all the streets joining it are also free parking (whether there are spaces is a different issue) ED - NAGAIUTB Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Cyclemonkey Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Drivers complaining about congestion and > parking > > always amuse me - the solution is in your > hands. > > I was on my way back to London on Friday and > wanted to stop and get my shopping LL on the way > home. There were dozens of empty spaces but all > were residents parking only, all going to waste. I > was lucky and managed to get a spot on the Lane > after only a couple of loops but that meant I had > only 30 minutes to try and get everything I > needed. Explain how the solution was in my hands? > Rather than, say, special interest groups with the > ear of Southwark making the lives of shoppers > difficult and the shops they attempt to support > with their business.

When I did it i asked at my GP and they would give the vaccine, they just wrote a private prescription that i paid for at the pharmacy and then when it was in stock the GP gave the vaccines.

I think even you managed to get to a point where you admitted that your 2 hours in the morning and 2 in the evening was false. Mornings 8-8:45 busy, evenings slightly longer as 2 peaks. heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I suppose if traffic is at a standstill then there > would be no major traffic accidents to report to > the police. As I know to well..outside of the > School run weeks of idling traffic Hell that lasts > for 2 hrs in the morning and 2 in the > evening...LTNs on Calton, Melbourne and other > gated communities do not prevent serious accidents > on residential roads outside of LTNs. > Also they are not boundary roads or ?external? > roads as Anna and Rachel like to call them. They > are residential roads with people, schools and > health centres. > > We are sacrificed for the benefit of our better > off neighbours. > > What with infilling green spaces on estates, while > selling off council housing to private developers > and ?encouraging? the poorest to move out by > offering an increased rent accommodation...along > with ?othering? residents on Croxted, LL and ED > Grove as outsiders, this Council is an utter > disgrace to the once Socialist principles of the > Labour Party.

But rahrahrah - isn't that a problem with the Landlord who was willing to negotiate and kick out their long standing tenant? Gails commercial team will have specs for suitable sites, but it would have been 'unusual' that the team were just speculatively contacting the landlords of existing successful businesses and just happened to contact Parkhill (I think but might be wrong on that) just at the point of the lease extension? I too would much rather have Brick House than Gails btw but my judgement here is 100% with the landlord of the property. Chains can always afford to pay more and weather the storm. Lots of independents still to support though so you know what to do people! I suspect though that Gail's will be very successful on that site - hopefully there is room for all.

I read a study on this recently recently Nigello - specifically on the no go element of pedestrianisation after dark, and how the shopping centres of the 1960s and 1970s would lead to antisocial behavior once shoppers had left. There has been a trend back to people moving into these areas and those issues dissipating in that it was the lack of mixed use that led to the issues rather than the pedestrianisation itself. Both Northcross Road and Melbourne Grove have a mix of shops and residential so its likely that the lifeless problem wouldn't exist. Do agree with the horrible shop frontage issue though - Glamorous Nails on Grove Vale for example is fully tagged and nothing is ever done about it - lots of the shops were on Melbourne Grove until very recently too.

The report shows that Low Traffic Neighbourhoods not only halve the number of road injuries but also show no apparent increase in danger at their boundaries. This together with monitoring locally that shows a fall in traffic both inside and on most monitored roads. Its also worth noting here that Croxted Road where the congestion had been severe especially in the morning peak (and yet volumes on the monitoring data were confusingly down overall) I saw yesterday that TFL had confirmed that back in November they had adjusted the traffic lights phasing to allow longer on Norwood Road to address the Herne Hill Bridge works. It explains why the situation improved towards the end of term as this phasing had been addressed.

The map that you have pointed out has as its most westernmost point, croxted road. Even the most Dulwich village centric of people couldn't consider that to be West Dulwich. So my point is that journeys from Dulwich Village to say west of croxted road would be considered non local, similarly with any journeys beyond Forest Hill Road to the East. These figures are based on a 5 year dataset on a london wide survey - so not Southwark's monitoring data, rather its using a subset of a much wider study. I don't doubt that of the people who are responding, over 60% of local journeys within the area defined on the map are walked, but there are many more which are slightly longer that could represent walked / cycled or multi modal trips - eg its not only the remaining 40%

Rockets, again, thats not correct I'm afraid. The data used came from the London wide survey though obviously only uses those responding in Dulwich: It also talks about Dulwich as being the 3 wards of East Dulwich, College and Village (pre new ward boundaries) so that 65% figure wouldn't capture say East Dulwich to Peckham Rye, or Dulwich Village to West Dulwich. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Northern - it's not I am afraid, It is Dulwich > specific data and the report can be found here: > https://www.southwark.gov.uk/assets/attach/6887/Du > lwich-TMS-SDG-Full-Report-Final-April-2018-.pdf > > The report is well worth a read as it is > fascinating and demonstrates what a foolhardy > approach the LTNs were - when I read it I was > wondering how on earth could the council justify > doing this - the data doesn't back up the > conclusions they seem to have reached to > facilitate the implementation of the LTNs > (although we have to remind ourselves they were > first installed to aid, ahem, social distancing). > > The report considers a local trip one anywhere > within Dulwich (across the three wards of College, > East Dulwich and Village) so that 68% of local > journeys done by foot or by bike will include > trips to the post box, gym, swimming, schools and > so the list goes on. And that 68% was > significantly higher than other parts of the > borough. > > Their definition is below: > > > Trips within Dulwich > Trips starting and ending in Dulwich have been > analysed separately. Figure 2.5 shows that > shopping and leisure trips account for a > significant part of the total, while work-related > internal trips are very limited. > Figure 2.5: Internal surveyed trips by purpose > (5-year total surveyed trips) > Source: LTDS 2010-2015 (internal trips sample > n=148,105) > Almost 2/3 of all internal trips surveyed are > undertaken on foot. It is also worth noting that > the cycle mode share is very limited, even for > short distance trips. Similarly, the share of bus > trips is very low. The low attractiveness of bus > for short trips could potentially be explained by > localised congestion or the benefit perceived in > waiting and riding the bus compared to walking.

That data is difficult from my perspective though - its based on a longstanding london wide survey and for trends its helpful. But the question as to what is a short journey is self selecting. I think it could mean that short trips include things like going to the post box / corner shop, but then longer trips eg to school / swimming / gyms etc might be by car and its impossible to separate out.

I think that assumes it will be rather more of a destination that might be the case if its just a duplicate and smaller north cross road!

If we were being so clear cut in boundaries though Artemis, then Burbage, Court Lane etc are not in East Dulwich either!

Its planned to be at the Grove Vale end of Melbourne Grove - by the shops there. So the cherry tree would be the closest pub.

Without getting into this too much - that's not correct. On the Dutch Estate the last 2 bed I saw on there was over 600k, and it has extensive and free parking as well as garages on both sides of the estate. On the South side it is accessed via Hillsboro or Thorncombe Road and on the North side the masses of parking are accessed via Greendale. The mews has limited parking if you consider limited to be one car per household. There is also garaging behind the newer properties between Tell and Melbourne Grove and the resident only permit parking along that stretch between Lordship and Townley is always full (apart from the bit in front of the houses with garages and OSP).