northernmonkey

The Melbourne grove businesses are affected by the cpz more than anything else, but obviously all coming together it?s hard for them. Would be better if the business owners stopped parking in the only pay by phone bays though...

Saw this on twitter No to trick or treating, but yes to a spooky walk and giving sweets to your own kids! Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Walked down Melbourne Grove to Grove Vale > yesterday and was intrigued by nets in trees and > mock gravestones tied to trees with 'Be very > afraid' and other comments. After seeing this > several times realized that many of the houses and > gardens were decorated with pumpkins and other > Halloween items. So assume that these local > residents were indicating that they were up for > trick and treating.

Whish is why the treasure hunt thing works well - go and look for decorated houses - only those who want to decorate do it and then give the sweets you buy to your own kids rather than loads of different ones. Different but still fun and no masses of kids arriving en masse

its all been reopened for a week. At that time on a weekend you should be fine. There is still the work ongoing by national rail under the bridge but unlikely to be an issue at that time.

people I know decorating houses so that kids can go out and walk round the neighbourhood looking for spooky decorations, but no trick or treating. The idea is that parents give out sweets to their own kids- eg every time they see a bat/ monster whatever you pick then you hand out a sweet or give them once you get back. Hopefully this way kids can enjoy Halloween safely outdoors but without knocking on doors and neighbours can enjoy decorating for it!

Gosh - its like the 'gotcha' posted about James barber and his historic role on Southwark Cyclists. Newsflash moment - some people give focus to community roles and i'd imagine statistically they're more likely to participate in a number of things throughout the community. Its not a massive conspiracy! legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rockets Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > FairTgirl Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > Rockets Wrote: > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ----- > > > > So they're closing a road at school times > > that > > > has > > > > already been closed - a double whammy!? Why > > do > > > > they need this - according to the > pro-closure > > > > propaganda machine Melbourne Grove has now > > been > > > > fixed - reference the photos of children > > > milling > > > > around the school. Or is it that the > closure > > of > > > > the road has created a school drop-off > > > cul-de-sac > > > > - as is happening at the end of Court Lane > at > > > the > > > > moment which looks like a car park? > > > > > > > > Have the traders been consulted as the > > council > > > > states that there is a "minor > inconvenience" > > > that > > > > no-one will be able to get access to the > > > parking > > > > bays? This could be the final nail in the > > > coffin > > > > for some businesses around Melbourne Grove. > > > > > > > > Are the residents in support as that > prevents > > > all > > > > access to their properties during those > > hours? > > > > > > We brought this up months ago with Cllrs when > > > first becaome aware of the proposal, and > > actually > > > referenced it again to Cllrs today. It is > > pretty > > > unnecessary given the road is already closed, > > Head > > > of Charter admitted as much. > > > > > > There is no issue with these timed > restrictions > > > for School Streets on it's own but the fact > > there > > > is already a closure, removed parking bays, > CPZ > > > AND this will disrupt what little parking > there > > > is... yes probably final nail in coffin. > > > > > > Depending on the barriers residents cars can > > > usually get through - but not sure how that > > > applies to business/delivieries etc - will > they > > > just be doing U-turns on EDG? Wondering how > > that > > > will help the EDG congestion situation and > > safety > > > of pupils. > > > > What I find amazing is the blinkered, tone-deaf > > approach of some of the pro-closure lobby > groups. > > Was the pro-closure lady on the council meeting > > from EDSTN Healthy Streets group? > > > > If so, they would have heard from Dougie and > > FairTGirl about the drastic reduction in > footfall > > and sales being experienced by the shops on > > Melbourne Grove and the other streets and yet > we > > see tweets like this the day after the council > > meeting....it's almost as if they are trying to > > convince themselves that everything is > rosy..... > > > > > > Does anyone know, is that cafe thriving, is the > > owner supportive of the closures? > > > > > https://twitter.com/EdstnStreets/status/1318829440 > > > 567214082?s=09 > > > > > > What is interesting is that people are > commenting > > and putting their views across. > > I think it was a lady called Katy from Clean Air > Dulwich. And from a quick google I do wonder if > it?s Katy Savage, the same Katy Savage just > appointed as the secretary of the Travel and > Environment Committee of the Dulwich Society. If I > have this wrong - apologies - if not- just goes to > show it?s all very incestuous. BUT that?s maybe a > function of people?s willingness to engage and put > effort in?

No- the changes haven?t happened yet

Haha- I think you?re onto something there. Alternatively maybe they just read all the documents published by Southwark.. It?s definitely one of those things though, just hard to work out which! Dogkennelhillbilly Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Rockets Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Wow.....that's a well organised lobby group. > > Difficult for residents to work out what's > going > > on but Southwark Cyclists have all the > > answers.....I wonder how they get such detailed > > info.....hmmmmmmm.....????? > > > > Has anyone dug a little deeper looking at how > > intertwined these lobby groups are with the > > council? We know they are being consulted on > every > > closure but does it go further than that? > > I heard Southwark Cyclists hosted the last > Bilderberg Group meeting at which COVID was > planned.

Back to the thread subject - the blue mountain vegan has an instagram account so maybe have a look on there - i thought it was the original blue mountain team, but might be wrong - didn't look in detail. Anyway, a vegan cafe will probably be well received and there isn't another one locally so its great. Nice to see some independents being able to move back in - hopefully that will be the up side of the empty units in that the huge rents previously being wanted are unachievable for landlords, bringing them into the level of more interesting independents. There's a new Georgian wine place opening where Tart was for example too.

Anything that stops alleyns parents parking right up to the junction of townley is good with me to be honest - it seems that if there aren't DYL common sense doesn't prevail!

There is a video somewhere on youtube of them - so far its all downstairs and the upstairs is very different. They come across as such a lovely couple on the film, its an interesting clip.

He's Clive Rates - he spoke for the Dulwich Village RA - ie the street not the area (just in case there is confusion as i find it hard to keep track of which is which).

Thanks - will be interesting to watch.

Its no access for cars during the timed restriction for cars coming from Lordship Lane towards east dulwich grove - the coaches will still be able to access Townley. Cora Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > This is insane?! Also interested to know where > will all the Alleyns coaches be pushed to? Can > someone tell me is this a govt thing or a > Southwark one? Tory or labour?

Everywhere was gridlocked - dulwich village, Herne Hill, East Dulwich, Peckham rye - the south circular was fully closed off from around 3pm!

Are we looking at the same picture? There are cars parked on both sides of the street - the jewson lorry wouldn't be able to get through as there are cars on the left and queueing traffic coming towards it. Agree its stopped - but this doesn't mean it was delivering to Charter - more that it just can't progress and cars were inching through gaps like they used to do every day on these roads. Do you really want 11 year old children trying to cross through that? Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > rahrahrah Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > first mate Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > The slight irony is that very large delivery > > > vehicle may well be for the Charter School > > build. > > > > > > Or simply cutting through from the Jewsons next > to > > ED station. > > Err, the lorry has stopped, the cars are trying to > go around it - the grey car in the foreground is > going around it. I suggest the lorry was waiting > to deliver to the new Charter School (maybe they > didn't realise the rules regarding deliveries). > Yet more wilful manipulation of fact by the > pro-closure lobby. > > Meanwhile....1.30pm yesterday afternoon on > Lordship lane...and that is definitely not how it > used to be....

Can you explain further? You used to be able to stick to the back streets when cycling but now can't? macutd Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > these changes don't mean that more people will > cycle. I find it much more dangerous now.I can't > just stick to the back streets and have to use the > overcrowded, polluted roads that have been created > by these side roads closing.

The parking outside the businesses being used by those with key worker permits is an issue - wonder if its worth having a meeting with the school to see if you could come to an informal agreement that where possible staff park on either the permit bays on Melbourne or on the bays on Trossachs / Tabert and Glengarry (as nearer to the other entrance if no bays available on Melbourne?, maybe a similar conversation with the hospital though wouldn't their staff use their car park? there are still disabled bays outside the pharmacy and i don't think that any general use bays have been removed from that stretch FairTgirl Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > tiddles Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Also can hey have removed several customer > parking > > spaces in Melbourne Grove > > Yes it is really important to note that as part of > the road closures more than 1 /3 of customer > parking has also been removed, thanks to CPZ M > Grove and Grove Vale now have the only paid for > customer parking in area, and as they are located > so close to the school and health centre what few > spaces there are also being used by key workers, > which they are entitled to, but with hardly any > spaces left, the business effectively have no > parking left for customers that do need it and > can't walk/cycle. > > One business has mostly elderly customers. > > There are alot of elderly and mobility challenged > who need to drive to the pharmacy and other > services on this road. Handy men/locksmiths need > to drive and park at the locksmiths, High Vibe has > alot of customers with mobility issues, as will a > new Physiotherapists. It might sound frivolous but > people rarely want to get on a bike or get tan, > nails or hair wet in rain after spending > considerable money. > > They are all losing customers to different > business that are now easier to get to and park > at. > > Let's not forget they got zero say in any of this.

Just out of interest when you say 'the junction' do you mean Dulwich Village - so coming from Townley towards Calton Avenue? I'm asking because I noticed just over a week or so ago that a box junction had been painted onto Dulwich Village to address the issue of cars queueing across the junction. Does this mean that cars are stopping in the box junction and you're having to weave through them? dulwichquine Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I cycled to work via Townley Road and onto > Greendale yesterday. Shocked at traffic queues. > Cyclists, including myself, are having to cycle in > middle of road, weaving our way through till we > reach the traffic lights. Far harder to cross the > actual junction now, as well, given huge increase > in traffic. Feels more dangerous than before.

Thats so annoying am sorry to hear that. The Stolen bikes in London facebook page recommends the following if not already done: 1. Log it on findthatbike.co.uk and on bikeregister.com Mark as stolen and include the frame number if you know it. 2. Tweet and Instagram post with @stolenride 3. Set up alerts on findthatbike which covers gumtree, ebay and Preloved, then set up separate alerts on shpock. 4. You can also see bikes for sale in London area on bikeshd.co.uk 5. Report it to the police via 101 crime form online. Let them know if you see it for sale, arrange to buy it then ask them to come with you to recover it. They don't always have the resources, but sometimes they do this. Good luck! In terms of bike shed security - its difficult because the advantage of having them accessible to use also means that they are accessible to steal, and more secure sheds might indicate more valuable bikes, but adding additional security like a ground anchor and locking the bikes with a motorcycle chain when inside the shed might help to make them less easy to take?

you can just do it online on your parking account using the details you used to buy the permit.

Don't think they do - there is a position whereby over a certain number the petition can be discussed at a council meeting which has happened here. Perhaps the petition starter closed the petition?

Rockets - i've seen you post this a lot - the 'ah but wait until the weather is worse' - isn't this precisely an argument FOR these kinds of measures? eg many people are capable of cycling or walking, but your (pretty accurate) assertion is that when it rains people will choose not to as its more convenient for them. Therefore just asking people to walk / cycle and providing nudge measures isn't enough and there need to be stronger interventions that make driving a less convenient default option. Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > sanda Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > mako Wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > ----- > > > > > > > > Could you not have just walked to the park > > anyway? > > > Now im not saying Im not pleased it is a > little > > > bit nicer for your journey when you fancy > going > > to > > > the park and cant be bothered to walk, but is > > that > > > occasional 'a bit nicer' a fair price for the > > > community to pay for the life threatening > > levels > > > of pollution that residents/pedestrians, > > walkers > > > cyclists on Court Lane now face for hours > > daily? > > > > We could just walk. But it is a long walk, and > > cycling on the pavement isn't something we want > to > > do as adults. So we'd just keep driving as that > is > > the easiest and safest option. The closures > have > > changed that. > > > > I don't see the life threatening levels of > > pollution on Court Lane now, it is much easier > and > > safer to cross, and travel along. The same with > > other roads in the area. Now that those are > safer, > > we can cycle and leave the car. Other roads > like > > Lordship Lane or the South Circular are still > very > > busy and cycling on there isn't an option with > > children (except where there are sections of > cycle > > lane off the road). At least now we have a safe > > option to cycle, which we didn't have before. > And > > that means we've not used our car for any local > > journeys since before lockdown and saving a lot > of > > local journeys and pollution. > > Are you at all concerned about the increase in > traffic and pollution on Lordship Lane, East > Dulwich Grove or the A205 being caused by the > closure to roads such as Court Lane? Is it not the > case that the pollution has now been funnelled > down other roads rather than the ones you cycle > down? > > And out of interest, were you able to cycle your > children to and from nursery on Friday during the > awful weather? > > Also you say your haven't used your car for local > journeys - may I ask if your non-local car > journeys have been distrupted by the road closures > at all - increased congestion or additional time > spent travelling to circumnavigate the closures?

ah thanks - i'll stick with going over to Kens then - its a hit in our family.

Haha- don?t...there will be pages of this!