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You do talk such nonsense sometimes uncleglen. The NHS is primarily front lined by health professionals who want to do no more than deliver high quality healthcare. If you really think that's how the public sector works and that those of us who work in it are part of a left wing agenda to deliver poor services then you really are stupid. As someone who actually does work in public sector healthcare, I can assure you that we despair of anything that affects our ability to deliver the highest quality of patient care when and where it is needed. In my area, central government cuts are the reason why long term care is impossible to deliver, when that is the only thing that will really help a patient. It's not a left wing conpsiracy to fight for better services and the required funds to deliver them, it's compassionate common sense by people who simply want to do a job that most would consider to be fairly important. And if an NHS is a left wing idea, then we are all guilty of left leanings. I'm sure even you uncleglen would be horrified is a healthcare system free at delivery was removed, or didn't exist - because in countries where it doesn't exist, people die or live with conditions that could be easily treated.
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It's just the start Fox. And as for ?12bn welfare cuts (but no info on where the cuts will be made), the extension of right to buy to HA tenants could cost the treasury up to ?60bn! And to think that people actually fell for this!
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I accept that Henry, but saying things could be worse isn't a reason for excusing the flaws with what we have. In purely economic terms, subsidised employment is not what free markets are supposed to stand for. So for me there is a hypocracy in any party who preaches that state intervention/ ownership/ regulation is bad, when their alternative turns out to demand it. It is perhaps one of the ironies of free market economics, that the freer the market, the bigger the public sector too. What I find most interesting about that article ???? is that it pretty much confirms what many are saying in trying to make sense of what happened. I tend also to think that (whether truthful or not) the Tories has a clear single message and stuck to it (and therefore proving that if you say something enough, people will believe it). It didn't seem to matter in the end that Cameron was bad at interviews and never answered a question, but talked and talked to deflect to something else. I think there may have been a lot more going on than that though too. The SNP and UKIP inputs definitely had an impact on some level of consciousness (and the Tories were able to capitalise on it). And with Students, they are a generation totally removed from Thatcherism and the early years of New Labour (just as many 30-40 somethings are removed from the 70s) and it does skew perspective. Even the Tories have no idea why they did so well! Maybe we should just accept that (in the south at least) we are a country of the individual, standing clearly to the right. I kind of sense a new era in some ways, one in which it would take a lot more to shake up our comfortable lives before we see any great swing away from the status quo again.
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Henry, I am looking at the real data. The more people who get low paid jobs, the more we pay to subsidise those jobs. It's one reason why borrowing has gone up with new tax receipts. It's a totally false economy. Plenty of data on the government site data-wise to support that. New jobs only have value in regards to tax receipts if we aren't topping them up with benefits paid for by other tax payers. This for detailed figures on working tax credits at 2013 https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/personal-tax-credits-finalised-award-statistics-geographical-statistics-2012-to-2013 This for data on other benefits received by in work families http://npi.org.uk/files/7513/7477/3906/WorkingFamiliesBenefits.pdf
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Some useful data here... http://www.poverty.org.uk/15/index.shtml 3.3 million working households in receipt of tax credits in 2011. Will try and find some data for 2014. But the message is clear. Millions of people can only afford to work if we top up their salaries.
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No because the reciepts are not proportionally high enough. We need better paid jobs at the lower end. More people are out of tax altogether than ever (because of low wages) and most people in full time work earn below the average ?23k salary. We are subsidising employers more money than ever (?28bn per year) with working tax credits and other benefits. That is the inbalance I am talking about. It is costing other tax payers money to keep people in work. That is not the sign of a healthy, balanced or growing economy.
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Down on projections. Expenditure continues to rise although we'll have to wait and see what impact new cuts have on closing the gap. I tend to think also that any party in power would have seen a recovery. I think it has less to do with Colaition policy and more to do with the natural rebound after a major crash. The real test will be to see if living standards increase over the next five years and if that gap can close without massive pain. The Tories promised a lot of givaways as well in their manifesto.
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Except the Labour party was formed with the alliance of unions representing ordinary working people. And unions still have an important role to play. I personally don't have any issue with that. But I do agree with the identity crisis that Labour currently has Otta. Miliband failed to read the mood of the country and took far too long into his leadership to provide any kind of opposition. The Tories had a good two years of getting their skewed core message out, unchallenged, at the start. By the time Miliband started to respond, it was too late to change that. People genuinely think Labour ruined the economy! I do also think that the Tories did a great job of striking fear into people regarding the SNP, and they did it in a way that also took the bite out of UKIP. *crossed posts otta but I think we are on the same page*
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So ????, tell us just where the growth actually is in the economy? It's not rocket science. Borrowing is up since 2010. Tax receipts are down. Exports down and productivity too. Oh I know, the 2 million new jobs? But you see, I just can;t balance that with tax receipts being down somehow.
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I think you have to be in America too, to have any chance of going to the mothership ;D
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Yes I think there is an irony Tillie in that we happily give benefit money to landlords to pay their mortgages but don't help those with mortgages themselves who fall on hard times. It's a complex thing to balance. But instead of having a sensible debate about it (I'm talking about politicians here) we engage in the politics of envy to justify hitting people as hard as possible. There has to be a better way to sort all of these things out than we have at the moment. We could start with some honesty from our press and politicians.
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The cat's protection league also have foster homes. Good luck in finding a place for him.
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Your story Tony is not an isolated one, and you illustrate perfectly the reality for people like you and others who are being left in an impossible situation by a party whose only goal is to deny benefits to as many people as possible, and to make it as hard as possible for others to claim. Instead of the ususal nonsense of left vs right etc and media etc dicussed above, your story are the issues we should be discussing. I don't care personally which party is in power as long as they deliver a fair society. But the tories have painted people like you as feckless, lazy, idle and as having lots of disposable income on your meagre benefits for things like booze, fags and HD televisions! The demonisation of the poorest has perhaps been the Coalitions greatest success. The system is not designed to help people back into work, only to penalise as many people as possible so they can cut the cost. This is the real impact of Tory policy folks. Otta somewhere talked about how there is nothing left to cut in his job, but his job. And more cuts are coming. It is deeply affecting the lives, and livihoods of many people. Meanwhile nothing is growing on the economy at all. Tax receipts down, productivity down, exports down, borrowing up since 2010. The coalition haven't saved the economy at all, and when interests rates go up, as they will have to at some point, the shit really is going to hit the fan.
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Immobile white van dumped in Spurling Road- eyesore!
Blah Blah replied to picknmix's topic in General ED Issues / Gossip
Cars don't display tax discs any more James. The only way to check tax now is on the dvla database. -
"SO no one can make comment about homosexuals now is that what your trying to say." Can you read english Tarot? It's not that you comment on homosexuality, it's that you come out with stupid nonsense like children being at risk if they see a gay character in a soap ffs. If you want to write backwards tripe like that in a public forum, then don't be suprised if people ask you to prove it. Instead you waste everyone's time by conveniently ignoring the stuff you write and playing the victim instead.
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It's just too depressing. There's even talk now of Cameron getting a small majority, which would be just a disaster for the poorest, and most vulnerable. Massive cuts to come. Front line services starved of funding. It's back to the 80's.
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Immobile white van dumped in Spurling Road- eyesore!
Blah Blah replied to picknmix's topic in General ED Issues / Gossip
If the van has a valid MOT, insurance and Tax James, there's nothing you can do to remove it if someone claims ownership. Easy to check it's status online fromthe number plate. -
Here's a constructive comment for you James. As mako above points out, to say that nothing has happend for decades to reduce accidents (in any context you care to choose) is just plain nonsense. Road accidents have been falling for decades, as have the deaths from house fires, as have the deaths from a multitude of sectors because of the work done to reduce them. Show some perspective at least.
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Thank you for correcting Louisa's poor version of electoral history brandnewguy. I also tend to think that first past the post and democracy are a contradiction in terms. A truly democratic system would reflect voting proportions surely? If you want to lead with a majority, shouldn't you be there because the majority of those who voted, voted for you? Seems ridiculous to me that any party should be in power with just 33% of the popular vote.
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But all this scaremongering about Labour is just that, scaremongering. There's actually not much difference between Labour and the Conservatives when it comes to fiscal economics. Both are totally avoiding the same looming problems, for example, of growing proportions of over 65s and the costs that come with it, to name but one. Everything else is just tinkering. One wants to take more tax from the top 1%, the other wants to strip the poorest 1% of the small amount of welfare they try to live on. Neither intends to tackle the housing market in any kind of meaningful way (although the Conservatives are really on a downer if they think selling off HA homes is a good idea) and neither party has any answer to wage poverty. Both parties instead will continue to subsidise landlords, and employers. We are very good at blaming parties, or sectors, or corporations, for economic catastrophe. The truth though is that it is the system that is flawed. Whilst politicians continue to fix the economy with more of the same, i.e. the very things that cause the problems, we won't get anywhere.
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James Barber is an idiot, which is why I've never voted for him. Of course there is such a thing as an accident. And in a busy city, accidents are bound to happen. If I drop a glass and break it, that's an accident. Of courseIi could have held it better or gripped it harder. But these things happen. We are not perfect any more than we are totally in control of everything at all times.
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Blair did the same thing miga. He engratiated himself with cool brit pop! Remember when Oasis went to a gathering at no.10? Edited to say that Brand is a smart move. Brand has 9 million twitter followers alone.
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But polls in marginals are never that accurate. Remember the year John Major won? Lot's of polls put Labour ahead in marginals by a mile, but on the day it just didn't happen. That's because often, what people say in a poll and what they actually do on the day is a different thing. Many think the best indicators are the bookmakers odds. The lose money if they get it wrong. Right now they have Miliband and Cameron neck and neck, but when it comes to a coalition they put Miliband ahead. But pretty much all the analysts and polls etc are now predicting no overall majority, even with a coalition deal.
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But the electoral system still favours the two biggest parties. This is why whilst UKIP are targetting 10 seats, the data analysts predict only 1 or 2 gains. On past data, the conservatives tend to do slightly better than expected and labour slighty worse than expected. So the prediction is that the conservatives will have most seats but won't be able to form a bigger coalition than labour. The SNP are going to be a huge factor in any coalition and in no terms will ally with the Tories. It's certainly an interesting time.
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Panorama this week was interesting (and worth a look on iplayer). It predicts a minority labour government with UKIP getting just 1 (or was it 2) seats. And the SNP will replace the Libdems as the third largest party. It talked about shy tories too. Interesting growth figures and oh that list of small businesses that wasn't quite what it seems. Not a good couple of days for Cameron.
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