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Battery hens often produce poorer quality eggs with thinner shells. So any idea that quality control can only be measured in battery egg production is nonsense. Free range hens do not forage. They are fed just the same as battery hens. The difference is though that they get to stretch their legs instead of being pinned in all day and forced to lay eggs. The same is true for cows. Cows that roam free and eat grass a far healthier than cows that are corn fed and kept in factories for mass burger production. Free range chickens also, are not living in their own excrement all day and night, in barns with no windows. And they have more of a chance of not dying before they can be turned into your fast food. One of the daily tasks of a factory chicken farmer is to remove the dead chickens. Free range chicken is far healthier.

I agree with green Goose. And I'd also add that street robbery happens all over Southwark, even in the poorer areas, and more so in some cases.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SNP will not go into formal coalition. They would > support Labour when they feel like it, which would > make Miliband's premiership almost impossible and > we'll be back at the polls within a year. I totally agree Loz. In fact I think they would only use coalition to get another referendum on independance. They are nationalists with no interest in a UK or England. It could be argued they shouldn't have been part of that debate at all.

What are UKIPs policies (apart from leaving Europe) Tarot? Do you even know? And btw, Farage is married to a German!

lol I might too after that.

I think Farage did well to be honest.

And now it's over...what a disappointment that was!

Uh oh...cameron mentioned the 100 business leaders. Cue david Carnell :D

I'm getting really irked on the housing debate. Not one of those politicians has as yet put home building as a priority over help to buy, rent to buy and all the other bonkers schemes they dream up to keep the market inflated.

It's why he didn't want to go head to head with Miliband. One thing that struck me about the Paxman interview was the squirming body language when Paxman pushed him on food banks and anything else he found difficult. I think here Cameron comes accross as a broken record, and lacks any charisma whatsoever (the only good news for him is that he's not the only one).

That in work benefits bill is up Loz. It has a lot to do with low wages and increasing costs of living, namely rent. I disagree with you Loz in that a growing economy where tax receipts, productivity and exports are down, it reflects the scenario that what growth there is, is being hoovered up by a few sectors (finance being one). So for me, it is not the sign of a healthy economy at all. Low wages, poor exorts, productivity etc, affect things like national debt. We are still borrowing more than we did in 2010. We've done nothing to change the aspects of the economy that caused the crash. Business in banking is the same as ever, and we gave them billions of our money to get back there. What I would say is that these are the problems of an economy that has been in decline for the last 50 years. And yes Osbourne has been as lucky as Gordon Brown was unlucky to be the scapegoat of a massive global crash. Well that's just the ways it goes. But to think for one minute that Osbourne is delivering anything but more of the same, when we all know that more of the same hasnt worked for at least two decades, is fantasy. We think the last financial crash was bad. We are heading for something far worse unless we get back in control of our wealth. There isn't much left to give away to foreign shareholders tbh. The free market does NOT take care of all. the cost of housing IS out of control, the over 65's are going to become even more expensive to the state finances etc and no-one in government or in opposition really seems bothred enough by any of it. But then it seems, nor are we!

Ditto what many have said above, that we do care. But what can we do when regulations around food production/ slaughter are not enforced enough and suppliers like Happy Eggs, who are supposedly supplying free range eggs use farms where the hens are trained to not go outdoors before they reach hen laying age. The door is open but they stay inside. It's a loophole producers use to circumvent the true definition of free range. Why does it take undercover activists to expose this stuff? http://www.fwi.co.uk/livestock/rspca-hits-back-at-viva-happy-eggs-expos.htm Why aren't the regulatory authorities already doing it on a regular basis? If you want to do something about chicken welfare, a good place to start is by not buying from fast food chicken businesses. If you saw the conditions in which that chicken is reared, you'd certainly never eat it again.

So we need to put lights everywhere now so that Police Officers don't have to go anywhere in the dark? What when Police have to go into any of our parks at night? Is this Police Officer going to ask the same of those areas? If this Police Officer is scared of the dark then maybe she should change career. They are btw equiped with powerful torches, pepper spray, radios etc and they also travel in twos, so it's not as though she ever has to negotiate this path alone after dark. Am I the only person somewhat bemused by this?

Excellent posts David Carnell. I'll just throw in that under the coalition we spend ?28 billion a year subsidising low paid workers with child tax credits and Housing Benefit. Everything the Tories claim about Britain recovering with a strong economy is crap. Is productiity up under the coalition? No. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-32143552 Are tax receipts up now all those jobs have been created under the coalition? No. Are exports up? No. In fact they are down. http://www.psa.ac.uk/insight-plus/how-has-uks-coalition-government-performed Osbourne is a fantasist.

Lighting won't make any difference to any of the above issues. Police don't patrol it and there is no CCTV. The reservoir area itself is now fenced off anyway.

Stand your ground tunesone. You had right of way. He came out of a side road where he is supposed to give way and only advance if clear to do so. In no way can that be considered your fault. They will give in. It's just a case of at what stage. Your insurer should be fighting this for you anyway, that's one reason why you pay for insurance in the first place.

But it's just your view Jeremy and one I (and many others) disagree with, because I prefer cellular science over your definition of worth. Who says that relationships and empathy are the measure of worth? Some mammals are also capable of that btw (whilst some humans aren't). I find it equally absurd that you place so much importance on something that isn't essential for life at all. It really doesn't matter to the planet and life if humans exist. We really are that insignificant, whatever delusions we like to fill our minds with.

Yes the response was insane Otta and definitely steeped in class issues. The actual riots themselves though were a spntaneous act of 'I can, therefore I will', helped to swell by social media. Had facebook spread the word about a mass demo taking over parliament, many of those rioters wouldn't have got out of bed. But tweet free stuff and no Police around, up they all get. It's what it reflects about our culture that's more interesting to me. The importance placed on things and the kudos associated with them over anything of real substence. We have a generation of kids who hate the Police and authority but can't articulate why. A generaltion of kids who want everything for nothing and so on. Not all kids I know but the malaise is there, and worrying.

I agree too. Mark Duggan was a criminal (just the posession of a firearm makes him one). Live by the sword die by the sword. Absolutely no excuse for the riots and wanton looting that followed.

It pretty much means moving out of your home for three days. Plenty of empty properties in London that would suit though.

'Bloodline' seems to be the next thing to watch. Sissy Spacek and Sam Shepherd.

But by what measure are they unequal? A life is a life. And the most basic instruction of all cellular DNA is replication. Just because we surround ourselves with things doesn't make us more worthy in terms of the basic science of life. All of our constructs are geared towards self preservation and replication. The same is true of the fox. You live, you reproduce, you die. That's all that life is for most people. And in several millions of years all trace of it will disappear as the sun expands and begins to swallow us up (our atmosphere having been burned away long before then of course).

I got the Shetland Islands lol....even though I hate cloudy days and cold :D

Thanks EDLove. I'm a bloke by btw lol. I'm learning fast that there are some voices on this forum that don't like being challenged. Being told to go on another forum just makes me want to yawn! And Jeremey, it is not natural to value members of your own species at all, as many species do no such thing. And it's because people DO reccognise the importance of species to the eco system that we still have fish and the EU banned a chemical thought to be decimating the bee population. You can only spend your life not thinking about any of it because others do. As EDLove has correctly summarised, it is right to challenge any view that an animal should die because someone doesn't like it. And my main point remains true. Urban Foxes do virtually no harm compared to us humans who seem to hate them so much.

Not sure if that's true to be honest. Whilst they might tinker at the edges with things like public services, tax etc - they are pretty close in all other respects - certainly economically. Which is why nothing really changes on that front (we continue to hurtle towards a low waged economy that can't raise the tax receipts needed for public services and it's been that way for decades now). Modern versions of all parties believe in that economic model.