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There isn't any one reason. Some of the obvious are... 1. Signal too low (usually in London because of steel framed buildings in the line of sight). 2. Signal insulated (usually because of either being inside a steel framed building, or having steel framed windows in line of sight) 3. Signal interference (usually reflection from nearby buildings interfering with your signal in an offset pattern) 4. Signal too high (causes 'clipping' at the top and bottom of the waveform which reduces quality) They all have different cures, so if you want to carry on using a terrestrial signal it can mean getting in the experts. For example if you get a bigger aerial to cure the point 4, you'll just make it worse. An outside aerial may help with 1 & 2, but won't if it's 3. However, FreeSat should solve them all.

Perhaps refugees could be asked to do something unusual to their attire to mark them out as second class citizens? A yellow star has a good track record.

With Brendan on this one. Who is to say... etc.

And of course only primates would inkle that pinkle.

I really didn't intend this to be a polish thread... It was about monkeys believing immigrants steal the resources.

TLS, it's not true that demand for plumbers is the same year in year out - the massive growth in house prices 2000 to 2008 resulted in a huge increase in demand for building and renovation services. I renovated two derelict houses in ED across the period and received nothing but over-priced shoddy work from foul mouthed obnoxious English plumbers (save for ED's own Peter Bennison who did excellent work but was never available). The contribution from the Polish guys on the other hand was exceptional and fairly priced. Naturally I wasn't looking to debate plumbers, I was merely illustrating that this mobile labour force didn't come to England to milk the benefits system in the style of some of our local correspondents. They came to provide a service, and left when the market stopped being as attractive. This observation is borne out statistically, as it has been proven that within the first five years of moving to the UK, immigrants have a lower take up rate of social housing, and after five years they have the same take up rate of social housing as indigents. I believe other studies should be done, notably identifying whether those that complain about immigration based on prejudice are also disproportionately represented amongst the sponging classes.

Oooooh. I really like the man with van idea.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that the UK accepted immigration because it needed more population? That's an argument from the 50s and 60s. A straw man, no less. I can see three principle forms of modern immigration: free movement of labour within the EU, asylum seekers/refugees and economic migration. The disappearance of the Polish plumbers over the last year has demonstrated that the free movement of labour wasn't economic migration but supply and demand. Great for our country, bad news for local shirkers who charged obnoxious rates for shoddy services. Asylum seekers and refugees are about a duty of care to our fellow man that the UK carries slightly more heavily than some countries because we once colonised half the world, and still reap the benefits. Economic migration is 'illegal' into the UK, and thus these individuals are outside the purview of the social services, and don't receive benefits. In practice some of the third group masquerade as some of the second, and the systems we have in place to weed them out are inefficient.

You can get a plumber to check pressure - there are fixed limits. If it exceeds those limits then you're entitled to compensation etc.

As part of his trial he revealed that he lay on the bed with boys having got them drunk, and taught them to masturbate. Apparently that's not paedophilia in legal terms, but it is in mine. QED there is no witch hunt, but the guy's a kid fiddler.

Mind you, he sounds like the kind of guy who would smash your windows and key your door if you tried to park in the space. You'd need to set up an elaborate CCTV monitor to catch him in the act. I'd be inclined to let it pass, figuring life is too short and he's probably very unhappy. If I couldn't do that then I'd have to be prepared for a rapid vicious escalation of warfare. The only way of avoiding this would be to buy an old banger for cash, tax it for a year, and park it in the space out of sheer vindictiveness. Someone was talking about Birthday prezzies on another thread, and this would be the kind of treat that I'd remember for the rest of my life with great joy. You know it makes sense!

Neither do I, and they were clearly practising for something. If a knife attack takes place and two young suspects fitting this description should be sought, the police would never know about it unless you'd reported it. It takes 10 minutes, for goodness sake.

What a hilarious thread, great belly laughs! I watched the video, and I feel really sorry for PROSser and chums. They really want the world to be a better place, but they have to fight a sort of schizophrenic battle in wanting people to be good, but hating them for being bad... They focus a simmering religious contempt at the whole of society, but unable to do anything as unpleasant as attacking someone in the street, they choose amorphous enemies - the 'state', the 'BBC' or 'the Forum elite'. And propping all this up is the absolute conviction that if they haven't got everything they want, it's because somebody else stole it.

I'm with Marmora Man on this one. The market is travel not trains. The price issue is slightly spurious. No-one's making a profit by running trains in a classic sense, it's just a question of what proportion of the fare is paid by the traveller and what proportion is paid by the tax payer. For those train companies getting more cash in than they're paying out to run the service, it's only because the tax payer paid for the infrastructure years ago. I still despair, because I believe 'private' travel is a luxury of a world with fewer people and more resources, not the 21st century. It would give me great succour if the bloody train services would set a reasonable example. I blame Thatcher. She privatised them, the old fraud.

Over-exaggerate? Judging by that exemplary tautology there'll be a pots and kettles scenario here. Mind you, through the fug of your rage I'm not sure if you'll see it ;-) Let's have some more silly blather shall we? I had the good fortune to live in China for a couple of years, but I didn't see you there?

Possibly antijen, but the only point of yours that I take issue with is that you think it's fine to take the law into your own hands with the destruction of property if it's something that you don't happen to like (GM crops). I can assure you, that regardless of whether I like your car, your home, or your committee meeting, I won't be breaking into it to burn it down. I also believe in local democracy, rather than the tyranny of some self-appointed messiah(s). If you don't like your councillors, stand for election. If you don't get in, it means other people don't share your views, and you have no right to do anything.

F**k me, not the BMC? Never the BMC!!

The irony Immaterial, is that you demonstrate on this thread exactly the kind of personality traits that would undermine your ideal society. You seem to doubt your fellow man, to accuse them of crimes they haven't committed. Despite your accusations most of the correspondents on the forum would be the first to pick you up if you fell, and the first to hand you a tenner if you were down on your luck. Regardless of this, you see enemies within, you have no trust, and demonstrate no capacity to engage with your fellow man outside of disparagement and abuse. This is no way to create an egalitarian environment where people are comfortable working communally. Trust is a two way street. Physician, heal thyself.

Of course. Should'a guessed... 'Immaterial' it's like, 'Whatever' Brendan, I think the challenge with those political formats weren't technical, but psychological. Humanity doesn't flourish in those environments. The lack of reward for extra effort undermines the desire to contribute, we work to the lowest common denominator, we are atrophied. Most left wing revolutionaries don't envisage this outcome, they merely demonstrate a poisonous greed where the 'redistribution' of wealth gives them more for doing less.

What was the right wink blinkered stuff? Being rational, was that right wing? You may be disappointed to learn that you can be a socialist and still be a long way around the clock from the Maoist morons. There's a sudden spate of new posters on the forum with half-baked revolutionary cant - is this something to do with the warm spell? Like flies from under window sills?

'Zackly where you'd expect it to sit Brendan. From a defence perspective military activity is fully justified, in an invasive capacity rarely so. The challenge lies in 'pre-emptive' defence as attack (Iraq), or in defence of British interests through American-stylee police action (Afghanistan). Then again, I think that mine is a view that a lot of people share, which is why HMG go to such lengths with dodgy dossiers to 'prove' the requirement for defence. My view is that the global instability which creates the need for military intervention should be addressed at source by restricting consumption of critical resources and with proactive non-military solutions to growing pressures on agriculture and mass migration. It annoys me that those that won't do the latter, then complain about having the wool pulled over their eyes on military activity.

If you must carry them, then for the jacket, turn it inside out and fold it in half vertically so that one shoulder fits inside the other shoulder. Then roll it gently from the top. For the shirts then there's a few stripy stay-pressed brands you can buy that will look alright after 30 mins or so. However, there's no beating keeping them all at work. I do recommend appropriating a cupboard as the boss'll get pissy if you're hanging dry cleaning off hooks everywhere.

It's kinda like me hanging around Friern Road at 3am selling stepladders, hammers, chisels and empty haversacks marked 'Fruits of your Labours'. As I was bundled away SKS commented... "Not many people promoted apple picking the way Huguenot did"

I kind of think that people who use threats or acts of violence to achieve their goals are terrorists. The violent destruction of property, or barricading of roads or runways falls into this category. Just because it's a 'GM' field doesn't make it exempt. It annoys me when these nasty little people, often with limited reasoning skills, would use the freedom others have won them to take it away from our society.

I don't think Gallinello 'beat me', as I wasn't trying to win. I was pointing out that words and phrases s/he used in describing Thatcher were associated with warfare and pillage. Their use was persistent, repetitive and the without rational context. If you've ever seen those films where they strap a victim into a chair, turn the volume up to eleven, and flash scenes of horrifying inhumanity across the screen in front of them until their brain is frazzled and their morality destroyed - then Gallinello's quote was the verbal equivalent. The images of 'Thatcher's henchmen' - the 'yuppies, city-slickers and wide-boys' were similarly grotesque caricatures - bearing no resemblance to Jah Lush and the retiring family people who did vote conservative. If they had blood dripping from gaping mouths onto Thomas Pink Ties over the corpses of babies, a better job couldn't have been done. Gallinello's quote was the sick rant of a twisted mind, using verbal tweaks and cadence to remove the rational skills of the audience. This is the world of Orwell's 1984: revolutionary drones staring slack-jawed at the propoganda broadcast. It's such an easy, lazy thing to do. There's a 'hysterical' satisfaction in capitulating to the mob - we do it at football matches. For the disposessed it's even easier, they've long since handed away responsibility for their own lives. However, for the educated middle classes to do it out of a misplaced sense of solidarity is pathetic. Since they have the power to resolve the situation their energies would be better spent elsewhere. A sad f*cking day. The irony clearly swept you by Galli, but my observations on the 70s were merely to point out that the same obnoxious hyperbolic trick could be played on your own pantheon.