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But yes, Brendan, you're right. We're all too old for this kind of thing now. May be a Campari followed by a risky Vermouth is order of the day. At least that way I'll live to see another... PS MP, yep, back on the consultancy stuff, and working from home is such a bore, even in Singers!

Poldarks, yes of course. The CPT brings it of course to a round 20. *Slaps wrist* That's a tragedy I overlooked it. Too familiar of course. Heartfelt apologies Keef and Mockney. So... FHT, The Herne, Clockhouse,The Gowlett, Uplands, CPT, The Castle, The Plough, Magdala, Franklins, Liquorish, The Drum, Palmerston, Inside 72 / The Adventure Club (??), The Bishop, The Black Cherry, EDT, NTV, Hoopers, The George Canning For those of a technical bent, this crawl is almost exactly 4 (four) miles. This is no coincidence. The Chinese word for four is 'si' (pronounced a bit like 'sur'), it sounds extremely similar to the Chinese word for death 'si' (yep, pronounced a bit like 'sur'). Thus this crawl is undeniably the crawl of death; may I respectfully suggest we find an appropriate name? I could volunteer: The Mortician The Terminator I'm in ED on the 17th August if anyone fancies having a serious crack (or should that be craic) at it? We could name the day 'Dia de los Muertos' in anticipation? How exciting!

Hmm, not that I'm in any position to cast aspersions, but we seem to have lost the gore and guts of 'Drink Club' with some of the proposed routes. The following map suggests that there is a route which would really make the record books... View Larger Map I can trace a sort of mirror 'N' that starts up at the Forest Hill Tavern as follows: FHT The Herne Clockhouse The Gowlett Uplands The Castle The Plough Magdala Franklins Liquorish The Drum Palmerston Inside 72 / The Adventure Club (??) The Bishop The Black Cherry EDT NTV Hoopers The George C You could of course aim to end it at the Phoenix, but I'd hazard that Scor might be more tolerant of the EDF massive than the guys at the railway station. More than that, it really does complete the ED manor, without imposing the Peckham/Nunhead diversions. (These could be engaged with a hardcore diverting after the Clockhouse, but I think you'd then open yourself up to challenges regarding an incomplete annex of the surrounding lebensraum.) Likewise there may be those that challenge the inclusion of the Gowlett, but I feel this would be to adhere to strictly to the letter of the law, and suborn the spirit. Now I know that's 19 bars, but with a half in each, at least we have a proposition to compete with the Circle Line's 27. Apply a Saturday afternoon to this and you have a mission truly worth achieving, and a real claim to fame. Remember the third rule of Drink Club... 'Eating is Cheating'.

Citizen, that's a splendid follow-up question, because the two are linked! Water has a higher 'refractive index' than the fabric, and one observed impact of this is that when light is reflected from the fabric/water boundary it reflects back at a less acute angle than from the fabric/air boundary. As a consequence incoming light needs to reflect off more particles inside the wet fabric before it finally bounces back from the garment and into your eye. Light is the visible component of electromagnetic radiation, and each time it reflects a little more of the light energy is transformed into heat energy in the particles it bounces off. This means that more reflections in wet material means less light bouncing back at your eye, and hence a darker appearance. The heat in turn increases the water energy and moves it from liquid to gas phase, which evaporates away from your fabric and dries it! This means that there's always a limit to a wet t-shirt competition in the sunshine. Brendan, governments are like, so yesterday.

On the thermos question, there's three methods for heat transfer: convection, conduction and radiation. Convection moves heat because the 'warm' particles themselves move. This is like warm water rising to the top when you're heating a saucepan (warmer water is less dense than cool water). This is why kettles have the element at the bottom - it ensures that the coolest water is getting the most attention from the heat. If you heated the water at the top it would take ages to get warm at the bottom. Conduction is when the 'warmth' is transmitted from particle to particle, and it depends on how good a conductor the material is. For example a long metal spoon put in hot water will rapidly get hot at the end that's outside the water, because metal's a good conductor. This doesn't happen with ceramic spoons, because they don't conduct heat well. Radiation is where heat energy is transmitted in electromagnetic waves, this is how the sun's heat reaches the earth. A thermos limits heat loss through convection, because the stopper prevents the liquid running outside the container. It limits loss through conduction, because the central (usually glass) container doesn't touch the outside walls and a vacuum separates them. It limits loss through radiation by putting a reflective coating on inside the container, usually coated onto the glass. However, none of these are stopped 100%: convection still moves the warmest liquid to the top of the container, where it's lost through conduction where the stopper touchers the outside air, and the reflective coating isn't a 100% block against radiation. Radiation is a pretty inefficient way of transmitting heat energy, but it works for the sun because it's so bloody hot in the first place. You can soon see the impact of fairly primitive radiation blockers just by standing in the shade of an umbrella!

Here be pirates... *twitches cloak closer*

I rear ended a car this morning...the driver got out of the other car, and he was a DWARF!! He looked up at me and said "I am NOT Happy!" So I said, "Well, which one ARE you then?" That's how the fight started.

...and you vote in Boris? Were you drunk? I just saw a telly interview and the journo shouted him down. You think this prat is going to be able to negotiate with the many and varied politcal bulldogs with vested interests in London' development? Yep, I read the other thread re. Bozza, but assumed it was wishful thinking. Now you've got him. What kind of merry hangover is that? Four bloody years. I left you alone because I assumed you could look after yourselves, now you've had a brainless houseparty, burnt the kitchen down, cooked the dog and wee-ed in the bed. I'm going out for lunch, and when I come back I expect you to have cleared this up. If you need help, here's the bloody yellow pages.

I can't agree that take-outs shouldn't be responsible for the litter on surrouding streets. It's not a chav thing, I think it applies equally to Seacow and SlippyChicken, as it does to KebabSlop. It should also apply to Wrigley's and Fags-u-like for sponsorship of street cleaners. Clearing up after the punters is a cost-of-doing-business for restaurateurs, and if they choose to use the high street as their dining-area they don't get to duck the clear-up costs. It would take no more than an hour to cover the roads within 400 yards and pick up the mess; at whatever today's min wage is that's not exactly breaking the bank. Get the cleaner in an hour earlier.

I'm not sure, when I was reading this I got lost somewhere between Egotism, Nepotism, Thatcherism, Blairism, Neo-Conservatism, Buggerism, Aromatherapism and Imperialism. I'm intrigued by the idea of a Sodomocracy.

Gulags, the Stasi, one family one child.... Doh! That'll be the acceptable face of socialism

Imagine my shock whilst working in Beijing for a big straight-laced US corporate, to discover that there was another nick fawbert also in asia who was an activist anti-corporate campaigner. It's very difficult to persuade people that there's a doppelganger when your name's an archaic french word for 'deck swabber' We had some laughs, I can tell you. On another Chinese note, when Mao was upgrading China with printing presses etc, he discovered that the endless permutations offered by people's surnames was creating substantial hassle for the manufacturers of the blocks. To address these he insisted that people choose from one of a hundred or so alternatives. With typical chinese humour when faced with such bureaucracy, the populace got their revenge by choosing one surname for entire towns. You can still go to towns in China today where everybody's called the same name. Brings new meaning to the old Spartacus debate.

Shitehawk? This man is a lexicographer. It's probably a reflection of my lack of imagination, but despite seven years in ED, I could never cross the lintel beneath that leering orange effigy. It's neither man nor woman, but an embodiment, nay an anthropomorph of pure evil.

On this subject, did anyone notice that the Slug and Lettuce chain hit the metaphorical wall? They ween't cheap places to drink anyhow, but I was staggered to discover that last year they lost on average 30p for every 3 quid pint they sold! And they were a big chain with plenty of clout... You'd have to run a bar for love not money.

I'm a big fan of the purple jumper. I knitted a scarf once, but could never work out when I'd reached the end of a row, so it was more of a triangle. A large knitted triangle.

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Ah come on guys, I'm not sure I'm with ATG all the way, but having been the victim of a vicious beating from a guy who was on bail for GBH and subsequently went down for attempted murder after smashing my head repeatedly into a railing this bleeding heart liberal stuff has limited legs. I thought the guys were going to rape and murder my girlfriend next. All hail kebab shop owners with telephones. Please don't observe 'you thought...', try being there. There's no fugging moveable 'relativity'. Yep, we don't know about this particular crim, but 12 years minimum would possibly suggest guilt? Some guys are feral. They'll kill you for fun. Stroking their hair and telling them you appreciate the boredom is pointless. Silly talk.

I tend to squat with Team Snorks myself regarding the logic behind this. I don't understand why it's suddenly an issue. Mind you, I'm not quite clear whether this is a building extension issue or a garden issue? If it's a building extension then it can't be related to the smoking ban, as surely there'd be no smoking in it? Also there would seem to have to be a massive uplift in trade sustained over a very long period just to repay the building work wouldn't there? That kind of investment doesn't seem to reflect an organisation teetering on the brink of bankruptcy? If it's the garden, well I can understand the frustration re. The Bishop, and the opportunity to get more smokers through the door. However the local residents should be entitled to retain the value in their properties and their own peace of mind by not having a new beer garden opened up. The BC shouldn't be wielding examples of other pubs in other places as either emotional blackmail or a threat of closure. It seems to smack a leedle beeet of 'Unless I'm the captain it's my ball and I'm going home with it'.

Chortle.... Snorky paying a fiver for a loaf! I'm laughing so hard I'm crying!

Well, that's what I mean Bobby - nobody seems to be digging anything up. You'd have thought that with the headlines that could ensue, that an enterprising young journo would be pursuing this one quite actively? I'm just thinking that it would be better to have any debate with info to hand. If you're right that most of the tickets are fraudulent, then do you have any data that supports that? That's quite a big thing for us to consider? I can see that the schemes are supposed to be self-funding, but does anyone have any data that supports their ability to meet that objective? Councils and TFL make such a cock-up of running most transport schemes without losing money I find it difficult to believe that they're likely to be experts at this one? We should be just as interested if they lose money as if they earn it. I can see traders are worried that it might affect shopping activity, but... no data. And I can also see that residents of heavily affected streets should have the rights to petition their councils to protect their living environment so long as this doesn't have undue effects on their neighbouring streets. I've got a pretty open mind, I just wish someone could provide us with an example of a CPZ in action.

Many people keep making a similar assertion - that this is a money raising scam by councils. Nobody yet has provided any data supporting this claim, any examples out there?

Many thanks for those who noticed the the CPT and the Castle were on the wrong road! I've now updated. If anyone's got any pics of the outside of the pubs I can upload them into the dialogue box so that when you click on the pub you get the pic too! Click on the clockhouse or the palmerston to see what I mean.

Hmm, trying this... View Larger Map