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Those numbers in full. DJKQ, just as an observation, like, but you seem to be very motivated by this topic? Do you see it as a case study of the oppression of women and the working class? I think that would be a valid observation, but it genuinely has little relevance to modern society. There are lots of things that society believed in then that are now only believed by the intellectually challenged. There's no point in hauling up the stone age as a case study of the challenges facing the British manufacturing industry!

Ah, that's dead cool! Jelly Babies 1 from Halcyon Gallery on Vimeo.

Doing Social Media surveys?

RosieH! You weren't there when I started writing it! i just got distracted by this appalling show called Gordon Ramsay Cookalong Live. You've probably seen it and had it taken of air a few years ago, but first time I've seen it here. I was shocked by how bad it was. Open mouthed. *ets - Yes! 2008. Four years they've had to realise how cack this is. Shoot someone.

On EP's point, was watching Bowling for Columbine once again last night - agree with this weird 'fear' thing infecting modern society.

Well, to be fair, he'd have been in breach of the code of conduct of any professional marketing firm on many levels: approaching minors, failing to ask permission of a parent or guardian, failing to hand over proof of identity, failing to offer a record of the conversation to the candidate, failing to explain what the data was to be used for, failing to inform them of their rights and data protection and much more. Some things are unclear - where did this talk of money come from? It didn't seem to be in the OP? Did the bloke actually ask for addresses and phone numbers - the OP only mentioned that they didn't give them? Having said that, professional market researchers actually would have been obliged to ask the candidate if they would mind being contacted by an auditor to verify their contribution. My guess is that he was probably a student of some kind, or perhaps a small business person, looking to get some fairly amateur data to back up some sort of project or business plan. I tend to agree that approaching a pack of hungry wolves gaggle of 13 year old girls is a fairly inefficient way of trying to get up to no good.

I don't know what the quality of the house is - but if it's a London stock ED 3 bedroom you might want to put backing paper on the wall before painting? It'll possibly cost you a little more, but it makes a hell of a difference to the perceived warmth of a room compared with paint on plaster. The texture will also reflect modern light bulbs less harshly :)

Just a note on the lifeboat issue. We tend to judge the role of a lifeboat upon those events that actually unfolded, rather than the original intention. If the lifeboats were there to 'save the lives' of passengers on a rapidly sinking ship in the North Atlantic then it would be appropriate to blame a corporation who 'deliberately and knowingly' did not have sufficient to do so. However, this wasn't the designed intention, nor was the disaster anticipated to have a reasonable risk of taking place. The lifeboats were actually there to act as 'ferries' to attendant ships that were expected to arrive within a reasonable amount of time for a boat that was compartmentalised to the extent that sinking had a ridiculously low expectation of taking place. Just a design flaw - not mass murder. We make the same decision today - where automatic train collision avoidance systems are not installed in the UK because the cost of installation isn't regarded as comparative with the expectation of an accident taking place.

That's an interesting moral proposition AlexK!!

Mick Mac, are you suggesting that he should have killed himself in some sort of 'Seppuku' ritual even if there was a space on a lifeboat that none other were available to take, as a way for atoning of the design flaws inherent within the construction? A sort of religious martyrdom? Legislation, regulation, economics, social attitudes and corporate policy will have had far greater influence on the number of lifeboats on board rather than a single individual's supposed personal decisions. Interestingly Ismay suffered particularly at the hand of Irish Catholics due to Harland and Woff's sectarian employment policies - for which he can hardly take personal responsibility. I can't imagine he was a particularly nice bloke, but then I don't imagine I would have liked many Victorian oligarchs, sustained as they were by exploitation, and belief in genetic supremacy and birthright. Why single Ismay out?

Best crowd filler I ever saw was the theme to test match special :-)

Apparently the pillorying of Ismay was unfounded: it was predicated on a personal feud with Randolph Hearst, and antisemitic fabrication from Goebbels and the Nazis! From the Beeb: The stories surrounding J Bruce Ismay, the president of the company that built the Titanic, are many but almost all centre on allegations of his cowardice in escaping the sinking ship while fellow passengers, notably women and children, were left to fend for themselves. All of the screenplays, including the new TV series written by Julian Fellowes, portray Ismay as a coward who bullied the captain into driving the ship too fast and then saved his own skin by jumping into the first available lifeboat. "Every single film-maker has found that betrayal to be too delicious not to incorporate into their film," says Paul Louden-Brown. "If you go back to the genesis of where that came from, it goes back to William Randolph Hearst, the big newspaper magnate in the US. He and Ismay had fallen out years before over Ismay not cooperating with the press with regard to an accident that happened to a White Star Line ship." Ismay was almost universally condemned in America, where the Hearst syndicated press ran a vitriolic campaign against him, labelling him "J Brute Ismay". It published lists of all those who died but in the column of those saved it had just one name - Ismay's. Some survivors said he jumped on the first lifeboat, others that he had demanded his own crew to row him away and the ship's barber said that Ismay had been ordered into a boat by the Chief Officer. Lord Mersey, who led the British Inquiry Report of 1912 into the loss of the Titanic, concluded that Ismay had helped many other passengers before finding a place for himself on the last lifeboat to leave the starboard side. "Had he not jumped in he would merely have added one more life, namely, his own, to the number of those lost," he said. The 1943 German film Titanic, commissioned by the Nazi propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels, portrays Ismay as a power-mad Jewish businessman who bullies the brave, Teutonic captain into driving the ship too fast through the ice despite being warned that this is reckless. The 1958 film A Night to Remember, long regarded as the most historically accurate of the Titanic films, also portrays Ismay as the villain. Louden-Brown believes this to be unfair, and raised the issue with James Cameron when he was working with him as a consultant. In Cameron's film Ismay uses his position to influence the captain to go faster with the prospect of an earlier arrival in New York and favourable press attention. "Apart from being told, under no circumstances are we prepared to adjust the script, one thing they also said is 'this is what the public expect to see'," Louden-Brown says. Ismay never overcame the shame of jumping into a lifeboat and retired from the White Star Line in 1913, a broken man. Frances Wilson, author of How to Survive the Titanic: The Sinking of J Bruce Ismay, says she feels sympathetic towards Ismay and sees him as "an ordinary man caught in extraordinary circumstances". "He was emotionally completely unequipped for what he was to go through... His confused and confusing behaviour on the Titanic was due to the confusion around his status - was he an ordinary passenger, as he claimed, or as the inquiries suggested a 'super-captain'? People on ships act according to rank and Ismay had no idea of what his rank was."

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Ha ha, Atticus. You sent it to a mate having taken offence, and as a mate he supported you. He's a good mate. It's about time Liverpool and their fans moved on. The world is unfair, why Liverpool think they're something special I have no idea. It's arrogant, presumptuous and vain. That's not to take anything from the grief and the pain of those involved, but frankly there's a lot fewer of those than the ones making a noise. You can present this view as harsh and unfeeling if you like, but it doesn't take a great deal of imagination for Liverpool fans to realise that talking about 'me me me' all the time isn't going to win you any friends.

Not the Chinese! Surely not the Chinese!

Agree with SJ. I've got ten bucks says its a load of old bollocks though ;-)

Itunes?

How cool is that!

I can't recommend one unfortunately, but I do know that it's likely to be a very specialist job. Most furniture is inexpensive because it's mass produced by machine, a one-off duplication job can't be delivered like this, and there are no economies of scale. So have a look at the armchair, and imagine how many hours work it will be. Then imagine what the hourly rate for a carpenter would be and you've got a base estimate for the cost. You may well be staring at the ugly end of 5 or 6 thousand pounds for an antique reproduction!

red devil has it?

I tend to agree, but wonder whether there is a time to ask whether such a strong community service couldn't step beyond the confines of a bulletin board whilst retaining its grace independent of facebook or google circles? The supposed equality, uniformity and consistency of facebook makes it a bland and impersonal platform for a local focus - the very thing that gives the EDF its strength is the opportunity for local colour and personality to shine through (rather than safe corporate blue). There remains a weakness underlying the main players from stronger community sites based on 'bubble' strategies - a pervasive global community based a matrix of interlocked and vigorously independent 'bubbles' - each with their own creative and linguistic flair, but interlocking technologies allowing them to interact. I would never like to see a 'like' or a '+1' in the EDF in this context: it misses the point. However, I think we need to compromise to allow people from their various local backyard/manors to share local content that through its creativity or insight deserves to rise over and above the local resource to share with a greater audience. Likewise I think it's a missed opportunity for people or local shops with more to say to have a bigger 'shop window' to communicate their proposition - be it a blog or a retail arena. But I'd like to see such a solution remain 'local' - and I think there's the funding to deliver it. Likewise there's an automated capability to roll the more popular content up into a 'best of' national scrap book. It simply needs a little creative thinking and a bit less defensiveness. I'm sure you've got the skill for that EP, and you'll soon be lost in the back of nowhere! ;-)

Yup - I guess one usually rejects something in favour of something else. However, this version prompted a show of hands, and after the Socialist Trade Unions Coalition walked out on the Trade Unions and Socialist Coalition over an unextended toilet break, the Socialist Coalition of Trade Unions (Redcar) cited rules 17.2 and 149.3 and carried the motion through a disputed golden vote. They all decided they deserved more money, and an enquiry was called into how the bourgeoisie stole the money tree. Everyone was in opposition.

"It stands in opposition to all cuts, privatisation, PFI and the anti-union legislation. It completely rejects the three-party consensus in favour of austerity and war." No vote for ME! I oppose EVERYTHING! but would struggle to run a piss up in a brewery before it had been renamed several times after African National Congress figureheads and collapsed under the weight of factional disputes *please Dad, can I have some more pocket money?

OMG! NO! One of your friends will only eat wild meat on principle? Just buy some burgers and make them really really angry first.