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James Barber Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think arguments that no problem > exists has'nt helped with this issue. James, I really don't think anyone is still suggesting there isn't a 'problem' with parking near the station. I certainly haven't, despite you implying it in a previous post. What I have suggested is that it's possible that this parking situation is a predicament, ie a problem that doesn't currently have a solution. If any alternative course of action is either worse or no better than the current state of affairs, then we have a predicament. To assume that there *must* be a solution is not necessarily right. It seems to me that the CPZ has been proposed as the 'solution' and the data and local opinion have been and are being shoehorned to make that solution look like the right one. And it's worth repeating that those opposed to the CPZ are not obliged to come up with an alternative to it. The current state of affairs may well be currently the best option for all those who would be affected by the CPZ. I know that's no comfort for those whose complaints led to the proposed CPZ, but in some situations there's no getting around that there will be winners and losers. IMHO, it should be the Council's democratic obligation not to favour one group of potential 'winners' over any other group, but to try as far as possible to pursue the general good. The lack of transparency and the inadequacy of the data so far has made that process much more difficult.

I'm curious as to the savings made by any commuters who are parking near East Dulwich station to save money. We are on the edge of Zone 2, but a monthly Zone 1-2 Travelcard is ?106, while a Zone 1-3 Travelcard is ?123.70. I haven't checked the rail season ticket prices, but assuming that many commuters take a further leg of their journey after arriving at London Bridge, a Travelcard would be the preferred option. So are these commuters putting up with the hassle of finding a parking space five days a week (plus petrol etc) in order to save ?4.42 a week? Assuming most commuters aren't on the breadline, this seems like an unlikely trade-off to me. Please note, I'm not denying the possibility that commuters park near ED station - but I would ask for far more useful data (as outlined above) before we rush headlong into a CPZ.

peckhamasbestos Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- [snipped tale of woe] > moral? > > public transport stinks.....apologies if you have > to rely upon it, but generally I don't, and will > never agan because it just doesn't work! > > you will not get me out of the only solidly > reliable form of transport which is my car ( & > bike) until there is a cohesive and reliable > transport network in SE London! Moral: check TFL's website and you'd know that there were no trains from ED this week and no Northern Line Bank branch. We went from ED to Camden and back last night on public transport and it was a breeze (176 to Waterloo, Northern Line to Camden Town). Just sayin'...

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Andrew1011 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > BrandNewGuy Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Proponents of the CPZ need to show why it would > be > > better than the status quo. They've failed in > that > > so far, as this thread testifies. > > If by proponents you means the people who live in > the proposed CPZ area who are directly affected > they clear don't need to show in terms of the > decision making process why something would be > better than the status quo. Really? I'm confused. You're saying that even if there's no evidence that the CPZ would improve the situation, you'd still be in favour of it?

mastershake Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > ok so now we get 'this is a blunt tool for a > compelx situation'. but as yet i see absolutely no > suggestions as to what can be done about parking > when 9 times out of 10 in the daytime i have to > park at least 10 minutes' walk from my own house, > purely so people can park near the station for > their commute. I'm not being flippant, but maybe doing nothing about the parking is the least worst solution. Proponents of the CPZ need to show why it would be better than the status quo. They've failed in that so far, as this thread testifies.

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maxxi Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think bonfire night survives because - like all > the Christian religious festivals in our calendar > - it has taken over from earlier pagan rites which > involved fires, feasting and possibly human > sacrifice (real or symbolic) like the Green Man > etc. Interestingly, there's no evidence for a pre-Christian Green Man - maybe other fertility and 'earth' characters, but not the traditional green-leaved face, which first popped up in Christian churches. The folk singer Sedayne here examines the evidence and suggests that the 'pagan' origins for the Green Man were probably a Victorian fiction.

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