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Ok, pure Devil?s Advocate time here, because TheCat has asked for this discussion, but I would say we?ve never actually had a proper examination of the FACTS - such as they may be available - surrounding a Hard Brexit, mainly because the Leave campaign didn?t really bring it up during the run-up to the vote. All the talk was of how we would get a great deal and how easy it would be, an I have to say for that I do hold Leave responsible. There was - I suppose understandably - very little discussion of how hard it might be if things didn?t go smoothly. It is possible that an objective analysis of the most statistically probable events in the case of No Deal might show short term pain but long term gain. But then that would require an objective analysis, and those are in short supply these days. (To be clear, my own view is that No Deal is quite simply massively unpredictable and that really worries me; there?s just know way do someone like me to do anything other than guess and hope, and to be honest I think that extends to all the experts out there. We?re staring at the Rubicon, and no one has any idea what?s on the other side. There?s some guessing, there?s some fervent, even zealous belief, and an awful lot of qualified, caveat-laden supposition, but not much more.)

The only thing that I see as a glimmer of hope is my faith in the basic pragmatism/practicality of the U.K./EU govts. No one wants to see the UK collapse into something out of ?Children Of Men?, and I suspect that - in the event of No Deal - people on all sides will go to great effort to keep the train on the tracks. It wouldn?t answer the basic question of whether No Deal is actually the best course, but then I don?t think we?ll ever get an answer to that, for reasons I outlined earlier. Ultimately business will probably dictate how we move forward - money talks.

My feeling is that there is so much deeply/held conviction on both sides, that we as a society are unlikely to find any common ground where the issue can be rationally discussed. That said, let?s give it go... There are plainly a lot of people - both members of the public and politicians/persons of power in business - who want a Hard Brexit and No Deal. Absent some kind of deep conspiracy and dark plan, the possibility is that many of them sincerely hold the belief that it will be ok in the long run. That?s where I have an issue with it. Solid data to back them up is scarce, and mostly we?re being asked to take this on faith. What they do have going for them is the idiotic use of Project Fear by some of by some sections of the Remain campaign, much of which failed to materialise. As such those in favour of Hard Brexit can point to the paucity of credibility from those who cry doom and ask us to trust them. That?s what it?s come down to. Both sides conducted themselves reprehensibly during the campaign, so the chance for actual debate seems to have passed. It?s now a case of ?what do you have faith in?? I would aver that the Spectator has always leant in the direction of No Deal, so that position is hardly surprising; however it doesn?t mean that they?re wrong. I?m not an economist, and with a 60 hour per week job and two small kids I can?t hope to keep up with the ins and outs of this issue, as much as I try. In the end it will be decided for us, and at least half the nation is going to hate whatever we end up with. I think my main issue with No Feal is that the desire for it from many ordinary people (not all by. Long shot) stems more from xenophobia and a willingness to stick two fingers up at Europe, as opposed to those who?ve plainly thought the issue through and believe that we can withstand the inevitable shocks and emerge stronger - a position that scares me but at least has the benefit of trying to do what it sees as ?the right thing?. Essentially, my point is that there is so much information, disinformation and opinion masquerading as fact - particularly on social media - that makes cannot begin to understand how we?re meant to get any kind of balanced, nuanced views that could help us decide what we think is best. I know what I?m about to say is only possible with hindsight, but we had a terrible, terrible National ?debate?, and now we?re reaping the whirlwind of it. No Deal seems like a real possibility and society as a whole is not ready for it. As I?ve aaid many times before, I will be very happy to be wrong, and will eat all the humble pie required if we come out of this better off; it was, after all, what was promised.

TL:DR - Please give me money to read my theories on how a post-Brexit UK can try and rip off developing nations when we can?t get good trade deals with the big kids. Jog on...

Keano, you really are easily impressed. Sad, really. I mean, Dubai? That?s a place that you think we should be looking up to?

SRM33, stop using other people?s genuinely traumatic experiences to further your own dubious ends. Get a life. Krustyloaf - really sorry to hear that, hope you are able to make some headway.

VerryBerry Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I wouldn't like either a dog or a child with dirty > feet in either situation. I've had pets but > wouldn't dream of bringing them into a food > establishment as I respect the rights others who, > like me, recognise that ultimately they are still > animals. Humans carry illnesses / diseases - hence > why we are required to wash our hands and cover > our hair when preparing food, not having animals > in food establishments is a courtesy we need to > respect. If your not using a guide dog then there > is no excuse. That two people thought to justify > this is shocking. I have flash back to the episode > of come dine with me and the cat's whiskers > dropping into the food. It's 2018, not the middle > ages where we aren't aware of the dangers of poor > hygiene. > > Yuck I?m really glad people like you are in the minority. You?re entitled to your opinion of course, but I?m satisfied that you don?t actually know what you?re talking about. Just out of interest, how many dogs have you seen in a food prep area lately?

mynamehere Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The language described is outrageous. I did not > witness this event. We all get packages, it is > also outrageous not to help your neighbours. And > yes they get left at mine without being collected > I have no idea why. I take them to my neighbours. > And yes, I have a full life. None of this takes > more than one or two minutes. The last time I > looked it is officially a season of joy and > charity which begins at home. Merry Christmas one > and all. Maybe try actually reading the OP before ballooning up in righteous fury? Also, Mr Pedant notes that your point about charity beginning at home contradicts the rest of your post.

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bonaome Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Peckhampam Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Seems we have a problem on Lordship Lane. > Surma > > has a 1, and Dulwich Tandoori a 2. By contrast > > Ganapati and Jafflong both had 5 > > Looked these up recently and rightly or wrongly it > has put me off the places with 1 and 2 stars. Most > places on the lane seem to be 4 or 5 though. I get > the comments above from a while back saying you > can lose stars for a crack in the ceiling but > without knowing why somewhere has a low rating > ...... well, there?s lots of choice amongst the > places that have 4s and 5s. Spice Republic has a 5 > I think so I am planning to try a take away from > there. If you genuinely think that the Scores system is an accurate reflection of what might be in the kitchen then you are operating under an understandable misapprehension. Please believe me when I say it is a very flawed system. A five star rating is the result of ONE visit, anything up to THREE YEARS PREVIOUSLY. If you can?t see the flaw in that system then there?s nothing more I can say.

You certainly won?t find this helpful, but all I can tell you is that it?s the brutal truth. Allergens are pretty difficult to handle in general, especially where things like nuts - which can cause life-threatening reactions in incredibly small amounts - are concerned. Awareness has increased massively in the last few years, but what you will usually get from a restaurant is something along the lines of ?Although there is no (insert relevant allergen here) in the recipe, we cannot and will not guarantee that there are no trace elements present on the dish.? Bluntly it?s a legal thing; as soon as you give a 100% assurance you are legally exposed if any contamination as somehow occurred. What is the point of me explaining all this? Well, simply put all restaurants these days are - or should be - doing their utmost to limit risk. However, if you?re still concerned go with a bigger name rather than a small place; large chains and famous names will have company policies in place that should be rigorously enforced with the threat of sanctions from head office if they find staff are flaunting them. You are never going to get a 100% assurance, from anyone, but if it?s peace of mind you?re after, a big pubco , restaurant chain or well-known name is your best course of action. It sounds awful to say, butvthe more they have to lose the more careful they?re going to be. My suggestion would be one of the Dishoom?s. We took a visiting Australian relative with a dairy intolerance to the Shoreditch branch and they were really helpful, with very clear labelling.

We must stop posting at the same time Rendell, people will think we?re in love...

sausagefingers Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > god radical liberals at it again . we voted to > leave and leave means leave Cool story bro... What the %^*= does that have to do with Mr Yaxley-Lennon? Did you just want to ?stick it? to those liberals because you can?t think of anything to counter the points about your poster boy for British values? Yeah, that?s pretty much what I figured. If you want to argue about what ?Leave? means, take it to the Brexit thread.

uncleglen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'some debate' on here-, about THAT sort of > thing....the fact that the DHFC (David Horowitz > Freedom Centre) has a website called 'Jihad Watch' > means that it has been branded > 'islamophobic'...like anything else, (or anyone > else) that points out the honest truth about what > is, and what has been, going on...which, of > course, is all that T. Robinson has EVER done- and > I daresay the DHFC..... c'mon rendelharris join > the 'debate' Tommy Robinson is receiving support and funding from foreign, unaccountable sources looking to push political agendas on the U.K.. He is at best naive and I personally think he is treading dangerously close to, shall we say, working with foreign agents against the best interests of this nation. I do not argue with the idea that we must be vigilant against those who would seek to introduce a way of life not compatible with what people in this country consider to be civilised, but I would also argue that the intelligence services have already had considerable success in handling that threat. Yaxley-Lennon and his ilk have a very keen interest specifically in Islam, to the extent that he excused paedophilic behaviour in his white compatriots and is now openly admitting that he is only interested in anti-Islamic action. He does not have the aim of helping this nation, rather his intention is to introduce, little by little, an environment hostile to members of a specific religion with the a of removing them from society. And then what will come next we wonder? You have to be a special kind of stupid not to see that when even Farage disowns you, the game is up. Football Lads Alliance? EDL? Britain First? All birds of a feather. They are not interested in making a better Britain; they are throwbacks who yearn for a time when the white man was dominant. ?All that T Robinson has ever done? is to try and present himself as ?just a man of the people?. He is not. Do you know how reviled he was by serving and former service personnel - of all political persuasions - for that service station stunt? He had very few friends in this country, which is why he seeks help from abroad. You should be very concerned about the bedfellows he keep, and the influence he seeks to allow into our society. I?d suggest you look a little closer at Yaxley-Lennon.

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Really, there are far weightier matters happening > politically Right Now, somehow think you'll find > the topic of UC is pretty down the pile. > People already living in poverty who don?t have enough money to pay the rent or turn on the heating don?t give two f*#%$ about the weightier matters, they?re too busy trying to work out if they?ve got enough food for the rest of the week. You know as well as I do that it?s not hyperbole to state there are people in this country living in those conditions. UC has not been done properly and ordinary people on the breadline have had their lives made WORSE by poorly thought-out government policy for which IDS should frankly be imprisoned, the evil excuse for a human that he is. It?s hearltess to tell such people that they don?t matter because of Brexit. In fact it?s heartless to tell them that they don?t matter because of any reason that apparently is more important than their inability to feed or heat themselves or pay their rent. I would guess they feel those things are pretty important. What do you think has been such a success about UC so far?

There?s just not enough popcorn for all this.

Ignore the troll. Posting history tells you all you need to know.

Really not sure what your point is with that post?

If you haven?t seen the footage it does sound pretty fanciful - the idea that someone voted Leave to help the NHS and lost his marriage because of the result. Exactly the kind of sob story that makes the pro-EU position look callous. The bit I find hard to believe is that someone like a consuslrant genuinely thought the NHS would see more money and wouldn?t be sold down the river to American private healthcare.

@MatthewGBCN Having waded through your almost impenetrable prose, syntax and logic, I get the impression that you?re passionate about what you do, and fairly unsympathetic to anyone who disagrees with your point of view. That?s your choice to be that way. However, if you talk the way you write...well, good luck is all I can say.

dbboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > The whole idea of the benefit is that they are > paid jointly in arrears, the Government has > already said that where people experience > difficulties with this, they can be given an > advance that they can then repay over 12 months. Unfortunately this is where the introduction of the scheme has fallen apart. When people already on benefits end up being in rent arrears through no fault of their own it looks suspiciously like the government didn?t think this entirely through. Universal Credit has not been a universal success so far.

Captain Marvel Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thank me later > > https://www.champor-champor.com/ Captain Marvel has it spot on. Very under rated place, worth a visit.

Well there goes Raab. To lose one Brexit Secretary may be regarded as misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness... I somehow doubt this will be the last resignation over this. McVey at least, surely?

Born and raised East Dulwich, lived here pretty much all my life, I have to say I don?t recognise the ED that the OP describes. That being said, those same problems could be ascribed to any part of London (and many other major urban areas), and London certainly has its issues, so I?m sceptical that this is an ?East Dulwich? issue. Either way, it sounds like you?re happier where you are, which is good.

It sounds like you?ve either been very unlucky, or the bug you got in the first place hadn?t entirely gone away. Either is awful for you. I hope you get better soon, and thank you for reporting it and getting properly tested; more people need to do this if they suspect food poisoning. Either way, I doubt something nasty is making its way around Easy Dulwich, and I hope it won?t put you off the local area. Get well soon!