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I think the both overestimated and underestimated the capacity of the electorate to process information about the issue.

No Foxy, this is the way the Brexiteers suggested running the referendum if they didn't like the result, and it is the means by which the Remainers and those Brexiteers that realised they were duped are expressing their dissatisfaction with the result. If the first referendum was an robust statement about the position of the majority of the country, you shouldn't be remotely concerned about a second referendum anyway as surely it would produce the same result. Or are you concerned that if with the benefit of hindsight the country voted again they might reconsider their position?

More Aussies, Kiwis and Canucks. Or to put it another way, these are countries I'd love to work in. Let them come freely, if they will do the same :-) (Sorry USA, not you. Deal with guns laws and Mr Trump, then we'll talk!) Afraid not. They come for the work, in London at least for the prestige of working in the biggest financial centre outside of NY and the value of the pound to the dollar, all of which are in doubt. The Aussies and Canadians I have spoken to are horrified at the anti-immigration sentiment, and some here are thinking of relocating as they don't feel comfortable now.

On the other hand, they interviewed a younger man who voted Out on the basis that he wanted his country back and not be ruled by Europe, and then admitted he had never voted before and never would again.

messageRe: Stunned new Posted by uncleglen Today, 10:21AM Our young people probably do not know enough to make an informed decision, most of them are influenced by the sensational, emotive junk on social media. What, as opposed to the old people who do not know enough to make an informed decision and are manipulated by Murdoch and his ilk?

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Tigres - its a dead cat bounce. If you look at the pattern of the FTSE after the 2008 crash similar things happened. As BB says, we've still had a massive amount of value wiped off British companies and our pensions are probably in a bit of trouble now. Job losses have already started in the City. And sh*t runs downhill.

Humans do more to decimate birds and other wildlife than cats. If its a serious concern to you, I highly recommend avoiding procreation.

The numbers get checked against postcodes. Or they used to at least. Given the results, its hardly surprising that a couple of million people have signed.

Which is actually a better proportional representation that you currently get in UK elections: 9.6% v 0.15%

Corbyn doesn't want us in the EU. Historically, he was anti-EU as many hard leftists are (EU state aid rules make nationalising assets very difficult). I don't believe for a second that he wanted us to stay, which was pretty obvious from his weak campaign.

What Blah Blah said. And whilst some politicians are awful, some like Jo Knox are (were) genuine, hard-working people trying to make the world a better place. Making sweeping generalisations about an entire profession is lazy and ignorant.

Interestingly, Merkel has just reaffirmed that we are a member of the EU until leaving is finally agreed.

What Jenny said. What you said has given me more hope for this country than anything I have heard in the past couple of days.

And they don't want us gone ASAP. They just don't want the process to be dragged out as the longer it takes the greater the risk of market contagion taking the rest of the global economy down with us.

>It's only been 36 hours.. The economy is always up and down. Do you not remember 2008 ? This has to be one of the more fatuous remarks I've seen on this topic. Do you know how many people lost their jobs and had their lives adversly changed by the 2008 crash? Do you not get that this has the potential to be worse? My colleagues are already losing their jobs. FFS.

Bloody hell. That has seriously floored me. I am sorry for casting aspersions against your open-mindedness Louisa. "I have never been a fan of the EU and its institutions, but without knowing terribly much about them I have often used the print media as my first port of call for information about how they work and indeed this perhaps to a degree has clouded my outlook somewhat. " THIS is exactly what I think has caused the problem. I don't think most people realise how horrendously misleading some of the media has been in all of this. People have been concerned with the agenda of big business, without realising that they were being manipulated by Mr Big Business himself, Rupert Murdoch.

Exactly. Juncker has said this will not be an amicable divorce. The lack of awareness of the broader EU political landscape should not be surprising, but it still gobsmacks me that half the country could be so ethnocentric and ignorant to not understand what the ramifications for the EU would be of making this easy on us.

Actually, that's why I signed too. I doubt it will get more than a debate in Parliament as promised. The Brexit side seemed to feel they had a corner on the market of being able to beat their chests and howl with rage about feeling their country had been hijacked. They would be the first to be raging if we'd voted in on a narrow margin people were saying within hours of the vote that they felt deceived into voting Remain. Rage rage against the dying of the light etc.

I tried to have this conversation with a free Brexiteers Loz. It is amazing how many of them refused to believe there would be any economic impact (I'm even seeing people now claiming the dead cat bounce on the FTSE is evidence that there is no real economic effect) or didn't grasp the concept that if the banks/big business are affected, eventually it hits everyone. I considered voting out at one point but I did the reseach and realised what would happen. I've come to the conclusion that the majority of Brexiteers are not remotely interested in any evidence and will deny London is burning even when their feet are on fire.

messageRe: EU Petition Posted by Toffee Today, 12:09PM How will signing thos petition change anything? On this basis the whole voting system will have to change. If I vote for the tories in the next general election and labour get in. Does that then mean all tory voters can demand a re-election? The voting system would not need to change. A referendum is advisory only. It isn't legally binding in the way an election is.

messageRe: EU Petition new Posted by DulwichFox Today, 10:48AM NOBODY questioned the referendum voting system when it seemed very likely that Remain would win.. Er, I think you'll find the Brexiteers did: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/nigel-farage-eu-referendum_uk_576e6585e4b08d2c56393f12

messageRe: Stunned Posted by Alan Medic Today, 12:43PM Time will tell DF. I expect you and those who voted like you to leave will regret doing so. I doubt it AM. They will just find a new scapegoat.

Louisa, you are demonstrating an incredibly poor understanding of how the EU legal framework works. I don't understand why people are trying to reason with her. Like many Brexiteers, she's just decided that how she wants things to work is the same as reality. I suspect you could put the treaty or any EU regulation under her nose and point out in monosyllabic terms how things work, and she would still stick her fingers in her ears.

Exactly. It would be political suicide for Europe to be anything other than tough on us. I wonder how many of the people who voted out were the same that were sneery about the SNP when they said they would get the deal the wanted with Europe.