Lordship 516

The other issue is when it could be invoked - as Cameron has effectively resigned so also has the current government so we have to await a new PM being appointed by the Queen & a new government formed before a General Election could be called for by either route. What no one is saying out loud [except for Hunt rather opaquely] is that the referendum is only advisory and it is for parliament to vote on Brexit & not the PM to action it. The PM can only propose & offer it for a vote which could be voted down by the MPs. This could concievably happen, once they have time to reflect & realise the mess that awaits us all over the next X number of years [unknown]

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Thanks Lordship 516. Any ideas on how members of > public can work towards any of these options? Only by lobbying MPs - it is a function of Parliament Also the super majority has to be 2/3 of MPs, not just those present in the House for voting. This is in place to prevent a coup.

Three ways to cause a General Election Vote of no confidence in the government - simple majority over 50% wins Straight vote for General Election - super majority of 2/3 wins Revoke the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 - might get stuck in Lords or the Courts with challenges. Otherwise have to wait for 2020

Salsaboy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > New Chancellor/Home Secretary if Gove gets it I > reckon. Another good reason to stop Gove.

Ruffler Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > IDS was on the Andrew Marr show in Sunday. On the > Brexit campaign and the ?350 million a week NHS > pledge, he said: ?We never made any commitments. > We just made a series of promises that were > possibilities." Theresa May said - will drop Osbourne's law on balancing budget - will drop tory plans to scrap ECHRC These have been IDS positions for some time so I suppose he is backing her ?

- dropped Osbourne's law on balancing budget - dropped tory pland to scrap ECHRC These have been IDS positions for some time so I suppose he is backing her ?

Just measure this idiot against all those kids who were wiped out during two world wars - they fought for democracy & this person trampled all over the freedoms that they sacrificed their lives for. He has no shame & deserves zero consideration !

Sorry LOZ - this piece of sorry humanity makes me see red

His dad seems to be equating BJ to LBJ - load of cock !

Henry_17 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I see a bit of the Gervais in Crabb. Yes, quite ridiculous but unfortunately without the humour

Lord Haseltine is 100% correct. Pity he didn't come out sooner with such passion & say it before people voted to leave. Borisconi is now going down as a pariah and will be remembered as a piece of #@!t on the heels of society.

Jah Lush Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Loz Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I always thought you were a Thatcher fan, Jah. > > How dare you. I hated that witch. You've not > listened to the song have you? Not PC to hate...how about detest..? That'll do for me.

No - that was Hunt, at one time slated to be Cameron's successor [both related to the Queen] but he is strangely quiet. Had a big bust up with May and had to apologize to Cameron. Likely to back Gove. Ooops.! I see he is backing May. Must have his eye on being the new Chancellor. Now Gove cannot make it.

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Let me clarify - First Past The Post is a system > which will never allow a hard-left party into > power as it tends to give all power to one party, > as witness the fact that we've only had one > coalition outside of wartime. > > The losing side he to lick it's wounds and try > again next time. Proportional Representation is > the only way you get an accurate reflection of how > the country really votes, but it brings its own > troubles. > > So Labour is stuck being unable to function > effectively as a hard left party because too many > people disagree with them, enough in fact to keep > them from power. Blair knew how to get elected, > regardless of his faults. Corbyn feels that > principle is more important. Well, fine. I have no > argument with that, but I struggle to see how he > thinks it will make him PM given the general > feeling in the nation. This is the central issue - it defines the fault line in the Labour Party & I [like you] disagree with JC but we have to understand his motivations. They [i think] appear to be looking at what they consider to be the big picture and a few elections don't matter much. They will stick to principle as opposed to Bliar's unprincipled pragmatism. This will consign the Labour Party to opposition for years. The PLP made the wrong move & definitely at the wrong time.It will be their fault that fractures the Labour Party. JC is merely defending what he holds dear. I don't condone it - like you I am but an observer. C'est la vie.

Angela Eagle & supporters realize that they would likely not win a direct challenge to JC so she is holding off in the faint hope JC will resign. I think this will just strengthen JC's resolve to stay. So they are dgagging out the uncertainty and giving JC more time to rally his supporters. He will win - the Labour Party will lose. The PLP have screwed up ! They forgot the cardinal rules of timing & consequences.

The various views on reaching out to various groups, Palastinians, Irish Republicans etc are a more complex set of views that I would never pronounce on. I have direct experience of the Irish situation over a long time [am of Irish origin] and know enough not to judge either one way or the other. What I can judge is performance of various politicians in regard to their record in regard to how they push various policies that affect everyday health, wealth & welfare of all the UK population. Gove is an unmitigated bigot and monetarist of the highest order that will devastate the lives of millions if he gets the job. He screwed up education, wants to privatize the NHS etc. The only upside is that he probably wouldn't survive an election in 2020. May is right wing but has shown some flashes of compassion & understanding for the dispossessed. Crabb has views that are too entrenched in his religious ideology & he only proclaims inclusion now in order to be more electable. Fox makes Ghengis Khan look decidedly benevolant so he will attract the few votes he always gets & then it out for him. Andrea Leadsom has some dodgy dealings with offshore companies & contributions so that will count against her. She is competent but has little experience but also has a head start as a Brexiteer.

Though very important for the next few years, there will be a UK beyond Brexit. Teresa May fills the bill for the current negotiation and also has the experience, skills & good temperament for the post Brexit development. Seems a sorry chance of a Labour government in 2020 so we need common sense & a cool head for the next 9 years or so.

Was forced to deny he is still homophobic but refused to distance himself from the gay cure group, Care, so not really an acceptable leader of any party.

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Lordship 516 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > This is Bliar's legacy > > Yes, naughty Tony Blair. Bad man. Making the party > electable. > > Corbyn certainly can't be accused of that. Bliar mainly made Tony Bliar electable & has since profited wildly along with the rest of his family & cronies. History [including next week's Chilcott report] will show him as a charlatan & agent for his paymasters.

Yep - now down to May, Gove, Crabb. Not a great choice but hopefully May will win. Professional, calm, experienced - best of a bad right wing lot.

Now Boris - just shut the #@!* up and rock on !

Sue Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > WTF?!?!?! > > Yes, May. > > ETA: Bloody hell, I put my mobile away for a > couple of hours and it all kicks off :)) > > I effing hate Gove. Like Michael Howard - something of the night about this Gove chappie. ...or maybe something of the sewer..?

Gove has repeatedly said that he is not qualified, doesn't have the stamina etc... Now might be a May/Gove contest - I prefer May as best of a poor choice.

BJ has funked it - at last knows when he is beaten...Yeaaaa !

Gove must have had a surreptitious visit to Damascus last night, spurred on by his wife's exhortations to go for the big job. This is a good thing because hopefully his tilt at becoming PM will consign both himself & BJ to the margins of political obscurity for good.