Dogkennelhillbilly

The rail connection is quite quick BUT Surrey Quays is not mobility accessible. It's an old station with a steep flight of stairs IIRC. I've always gone one stop further to the redeveloped (or as some would have it "socially cleansed and gentrified") Canada Water station which has a lift, and then come back. The last time I went to the Surrey Quays shops half of the units looked empty and two scrotes with an angle grinder were stealing a bike from the bike rack.

Ahh well that's the source of your confusion, isn't it, guv. It wasnt anywhere close to simultaneous. As any local would know, this pipsqueak development of a handful of houses has taken more than a decade (and possibly closer to two - when did the petrol station close?). Planning permission was going as early as 2014 - years before COVID or LTN were terms that any of us knew, and years before the Dulwich Village/Village ward flipped from Tory to Labour. Much of that delay was caused by locals moaning about the impact on their parking (but who also didn't want a CPZ to ensure that locals got a certain volume of parking). No wonder we have a housing crisis in this country. There is plenty of gory detail in here - the parking allowances were capped by the London Plan in place at the time. (In fact, the number of parking places seems to have been reduced since then). https://moderngov.southwark.gov.uk/documents/s55358/Report%20The%20Workshop%20Site%20land%20bounded%20by%20Gilkes%20Place%20Gilkes%20Crescent%20and%20Calton%20Avenue%20to%20the%20re.pdf https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Village_(Southwark_ward) Odd to see such enthusiasm for government interferece in the property rights of private developers on the part of someone with such concerns about Marxist conspiracies!

No-one has ever called the Pizza Hut or the car park or the bowling alley or the cinema "home".

Does London need more housing or more pizza shops?

How many people currently live in the pizza chain, bowling alley, cinema and car park? This is classic NIMBYBANOTE (not in my back yard but also not over there either) posting. "Oh no, don't let investors knock down the sad postindustrial sheds and replace them with housing and shops and dining and entertainment! Won't someone think of the Pizza Hut???"

If you're saying that development land should be nationalised, private parking on new developments banned, and only social housing should be built until median rent is beneath 25% of household median income in London, then for once we are completely agreed.

I would not describe the area as very gentrified, esp not the bit that was built 30 years ago. It's human scale, low rise flats and terraces mixed on cul de sacs for the most part, but it's not knee deep in Gail's and, candle shops and luxury butchers. The cluster of new blocks of flats near the new Decathlon and Canada Water tube is shinier- but tbh that's just what modern blocks of flats look like these days. Everything gets promoted by estate agents as luxury. More housing is good, whatever the type - dumping supply on the market always helps. I am sure there will be adequate provision for pizza restaurants and entertainment in the new mixed use development. And don't forget everyone's favourite Dulwich Library also has a ~free~ film club for adults: https://www.southwark.gov.uk/libraries/adults/library-activities-for-adults

"It seems TfL may need drivers to offend and generate income instead of complying with road rules." Wow, this is so unbelievably cynical of TfL. Drivers should totally band together and stick it up Khan's arse by not committing traffic offences on red routes. That'll show him!

Wake up, babe, a new LTN conspiracy theory just dropped

Oh no - that was a heritage Pizza Hut, wasn't it? Luckily there are 4 other pizza places within half a mile.

It's a really good concept. The one at Crystal Palace library has been around for a while so good to see Canada Water get in on the action too!

On the upside, the P13 bus is ready to whisk you directly to the Odeon in Streatham. And failing that there's the mighty Peckhamplex, the Ritzy, the East Dulwich or West Norwood Picturehouses, the one up on Crystal Palace, and even Whirled Cinema. We're doing okay for cinemas!

It's been so long under construction I'm surprised each house didn't come specced with a stable.

Or, you know, the original hysterical assumption that the workers are wasteful idiots who know nothing about their job was wrong.

The 80s or early 90s, I thought...?

These pipes fracture so frequently on Lordship Lane, and the South Circular, and East Dulwich Grove, because of the relentless volume and increasing weight of the vehicles driving over them.

Bit unambitious there, bud. If you look at a satellite map, if you demolished just one of the houses directly to the south of Gail's on Dulwich Village, you could get an access road into Dulwich Park. Then you'd just need to upgrade the surfacing to get a direct link to the Queen Margaret Gate and the South Circular. 👍👍👍

Fine by me. 🤷‍♂️ Online (which is to say here and Mr OneDulwich's blog) there is a small number of monomaniacs raging about closure of a side road 4 years ago, spreading increasingly weird conspiracy theories about Marxist-cyclist takeovers, and claiming to speak on behalf of a furious, ignored majority. None of that is reflected in the real world. The Tories were basically a single issue party against LTNs at the last local elections and they got pumped. The Tory Mayoral candidate for London pinned her whole campaign on being anti-ULEZ, anti-LTN and anti-woke, and she got pumped too. There is no sign in the real world that this supposed majority of people really upset about a road being closed exists. https://m.facebook.com/groups/ImperialMeas/

That is a theory - a very particular type of theory, in fact: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory Do you speak to your real life family and friends about your concerns that the London Cycling Campaign has taken over government and has deployed secret operatives to argue with you online? What do they think about it? 🦎 🦎 🦎

Yes. You probably heard about the Mayor's plan to pedestrianise Oxford St. This, and the associated press conference, was merely a diversionary tactic in The War On Motorists. At precisely 1415 today, squads of saboteurs spread our across London, from Acton to East Dulwich to Seven Sisters. Key arteries were ripped up and tank traps installed to prevent vehicle traffic. The purpose was to bring traffic to boiling point and make people realise that we can't go on this way. Unfortunately, the operation was a complete failure, as traffic in London is already at boiling point, and nobody noticed the difference.

Most conspiracy theorists think they're being tormented by the Freemasons or Secret Lizard People. I suppose it's only appropriate that the puppetmasters in such a low octane conspiracy theory as this should be...the London Cycling Campaign. 🦎 🦎 🦎

Sure - but that's your position whatever the merits of the West Dulwich proposals. This is a thread for talking about the West Dulwich changes specifically, and perhaps what OP would and would not like to see happen there.

So now the suggestion is that there are so many "lifelong Labour voters" that are so annoyed about the road closure that...they voted for Labour in greater numbers on a larger turnout than the election before? That just doesn't stack up either. It wasn't even a Labour ward before 2018... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dulwich_Village_(ward)

lol!

Apparently there are 2000 locals that are highly motivated by this issue...but not enough to make a difference to their vote, while the party that went balls to the wall on opposing LTNs got a smaller share of the vote. That just doesn't stack up.