Dogkennelhillbilly

No, not at all. I have no idea who @Chick is or who they're making abusive comments about, and vice versa. But I think it's unfair when Internet trolls launch personal abuse against identifiable people while hiding behind a fake name. It happens a lot on this forum. The trolls can dish it out but they can't take it...

What's your real name, @Chick? You seem pretty happy to throw abuse at identifiable people online so presumably you'd be happy to cop the same?

It means people are pursuing culture wars by making stuff up based on their passionately held prejudices and acting as if it's a fact. See the OP and this as examples: https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/365902-bloody-sydenham-hill/#findComment-1717782

I'm surprised there's such hate for the Wood House. I don't particularly like the interior decor but it's good a big garden with a bunch of covered and uncovered seating. I'm not surprised the culture warriors have showed up with their usual "facts".

Crystal Palace has never been so insulted

Let's hope Planet Aid's current workers aren't forced to make "voluntary" contributions to the cult, then. "Patrick Goteka was working for a charity in Zimbabwe when, in 2006, his employer offered him a big break - the chance to transfer to the US. Goteka, who would be working as a manager in the recycled clothes business, knew the move would mean sacrifices - separating him from his wife and three children. But he says he didn't bank on also having to join a cult-like organisation - the Teachers Group - and surrender a chunk of his monthly salary when he took on his new role." https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-36940384 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-36953455

The one at The Plough is operated by a cult. https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/behind-the-bins-former-planet-aid-employees-describe-cult-like-experience/66461/ https://nonprofitquarterly.org/planet-aid-and-the-clothing-bin-wars/

Having encountered his own factual error and the insight of genuine experts in this field, Rockets pivots to a rant about the persecution he faces.

It doesn't. You are confusing (unsurprisingly) data from the Crime Survey of England & Wales with data about recorded crime. And at the risk of repeating a statement by people that know what the fuck they're on about in this arena: "Police recorded crime does not tend to be a good indicator of general trends in crime". https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025

They can't have been very close friends if closing off one end of the street was enough to put you off seeing them...

A single street is never, ever going to have enough data of any sort to draw sensible conclusions about crime trends. It is a totally futile exercise to try to do so, in any direction. And it is not true that "crime stats [rely] on people actually reporting crime". This is basic stuff for anyone with a passing knowledge of criminology.

Not correct. There are two principal sources of crime data in E&W: crime recorded by police and the Crime Survey for England & Wales, which does not rely solely on reported crime. Please see the note above from the ONS on the limited utility of recorded crime data, especially in shallow pools.

Anyone that has the slightest familiarity with statistics or criminology knows that trying to make out crime trends from 1 or 2 years of data in relation to a single street and then trying to pin it on a single cause is completely futile. The data pool is too shallow and the phenomena too multicausal. That's true whether it shows that any type of crime has gone up, gone down or stayed the same. Drug offences have gone down 80% in Dulwich Village SNT area since 2021: you'd be a complete idiot to suggest that "LTNs prevent drug crime" on the basis of this data. But I suspect that's not the point of our frieds who passionately believe that "LTNs cause crime". Their intention is to throw enough shi- - I mean, spaghetti - at the wall and hope enough sprays around that casual observers can't be bothered to wade through the mess. It's classic FUD tactics, it's a load of old toot, and it's failing miserably - in the real world, away from the fevered posts of a few on the East Dulwich Forum, there is little interest in a junction that closed five years ago. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fear,_uncertainty,_and_doubt : "Fear, uncertainty, and doubt (FUD) is a manipulative propaganda tactic used in technology sales, marketing, public relations, politics, polling, and cults. FUD is generally a strategy to influence perception by disseminating negative and dubious or false information and is a manifestation of the appeal to fear...In public policy, a similar concept has been referred to as manufactured uncertainty, which involves casting doubt on academic findings, exaggerating their claimed imperfections. Manufacturing controversy has been a tactic used by ideological and corporate groups to "neutralize the influence of academic scientists" in public policy debates. Cherry picking of favorable data and sympathetic experts, aggrandizement of uncertainties within theoretical models, and false balance in media reporting contribute to the generation of FUD. Alan D. Attie describes its process as "to amplify uncertainties, cherry-pick experts, attack individual scientists, marginalize the traditional role of distinguished scientific bodies and get the media to report "both sides" of a manufactured controversy."[13]

There's prices on everything.

Just for the sake of accuracy: it is not correct that The Dulwich Estate knew nothing about the closure. Neither is it correct that a new tenant cannot move in for a while - the Dulwich Estate notice is saying the stuff that was left in there will be binned or stored for 3 months, not that they're going to be stored on site for 3 months. Now the landlord is back in possession, they can rent it out as soon as they find a tenant.

No offence, but why not start from the assumption that the trees team in Southwark Council know what they're doing because it's their job and aren't a bunch of ecogenocidal maniacs looking for excuses to cut back trees? I'm not an expert but if they're not coming back to cut down the rest, then it seems like pollarding. It always looks ugly at first. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollarding

You've taken these cheese puns whey too far.

Mandolin repair shop in the basement; gin bar in the ground floor and courtyard; gong therapy rooms on the top floor.

1) Start with the exact claim about the LTN. Who said this and when exactly? 2) Test the claim against statistically significant data. Isolate factors other than the LTN. 3) Present your findings. PS "apart from the fact there have been fewer vehicle collisions, how has the LTN made things safer?" 🤔

In the 5 years since the LTNs went in, Nigel Farage was elected as an MP, my husband left me for a bicycle-riding geologist, Crystal Palace won the FA Cup, and you have posted thousands of times online complaining about LTNs. You cannot deny that. Clearly LTNs cause populist politicians to win public office, duplicitous lying bastard earth scientists to run off with your spouse, South London football teams to improve, and online derangement.

These cheese puns make me sick. I suppose you could call me lactose intolerant.

1) "Police recorded crime does not tend to be a good indicator of general trends in crime". https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/bulletins/crimeinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025 2) There has been a significant increase in some types of crime in London over the last year - particularly theft, which went up 28%. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/london-latest-crime-statistics-knife-murder-shoplifting-sadiq-khan-ons-b1239843.html 3) All of this is a world away from Rockets's "absolute" belief that LTNs cause crime. It's nonsense. It's an invention. It's toss. There's no proof of that at all - even he admits it.

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Call me a philistine but I like the small Laughing Cow triangles. Babybels too. They're a great snack for adults and kids. Yes, I'll never be shy about praising the Little Baby Cheeses.

That. Is. A. Disgrace. The business in question came after the junction closure, and used the cleared space for serving food and drink.