Fuschia

Thanks We're Wednesdays I had it in my head it's not on this week but unusually, seem to have filed the letter somewhere dim. You're going to be at Nunhead on a Weds? What class? we're 4.30 atm

Do we start back NEXT week?

sillywoman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fuschia Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Tully > > Oooh, I've got one o' them! From the novel?

The policy on weaning hasnt changed at all , it was just an article picked up on by the press suggesting more research into some issues That's exactly my point, hvs are supposed to know more than your next door neighbour or a baby mag but often they don't seem to Friend of mine in west London has had trouble with hers just the lady few weeks with wrong interpretation of baby weight gain I am afraid I judge the service on what I hear from friends and my own experience and far too much of it is not very reassuring Anyway we can disagree But in answer to the original post , I didn't take my twins to their 2.y check because I have little confidence in the hvs ... And I am entitled to my view!

zeban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What about their professional opinion? Their professional opinion will be the one backed by evidence, surely and in line with guidance otherwise what's the point of a hv? Cuts to the core of this discussion?

zeban Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My Mum started weaning all of us 5 children from 4 > months, together with breastfeeding. Some people > don't start doing that until 6. Surely there are > going to be mixed messages because there isn't > always a right or wrong answer. Well no, because there is very clear nhs policy based on evidence, and a hv should present that information just as any other health professional should do, not depending on their personal opinion

dollydaydream Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently Tui is Maori, can be both boys or girls > name pronounced Too ee, meaning Honeyeater bird, > parson bird,reknowned for it's beauty, > intelligence and song. Yes, my friend worked out there for a while and named is daughter as a result

Tully

Helen I have a friend whose daughter is called tui

I like Jude And Callum And emer (isn't it eomer though, and with an accent?)

I like India but it reminds me a little of chick lit

Bluesuperted does that mean you could get away with rover or spot?!

Laine I like bit wouldn't go with all surnames The others ate all very popular .. Likely to be others in her class with the same name do she would be 'Megan S' for eg

I have never really dared ask anyone what they think of my children's names as I think many people probably hate them I like them though so that's ok! In our case they are all fairly unusual and you rarely meet others with the same. I find it very odd how people actively choose to give their children a very popular name ... They no doubt think I am weird for doing the opposite !

I quite like Bailey .., it could sound a bit chavvy but it would prob be ok in ED

Edmummy our children all have Gaelic names, sadly I Leays had more girls than boys named on my list , so wouldn't you know it I have just one girl! Always liked grainne, for eg

I seem to recall from friends at goodrich it is less spread put thN heber Best to fCtor in a week though Nd check with the school

It is a shame so many of us have had bad experiences locally and the service doesn't have a good reputation on here as a result. Maybe it is just a local issue, certainly my friend in Kent with pnd had huge support. Maybe there should be more complaints locally to try to improve things

Impossible to predict At heber for son no 1 the class was split into small groups and did hLf days and odd days in various combinations for 2 weeks

helena handbasket Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > My point is that the NHS is where the problem lies > if there is not consistent information (and some > of your points I've not heard before so far from > general knowledge), including and especially the > GP's. > The feeding stuff is fairly well known I think The vaccine issue is in the vaccine booklet ... That's the issue I made my complaint about on 2003 after checking it out with my gp before taking my baby swimming at 8w I the Had a hv tell me I had put him at risk and she wS going to hVe to make a note in his file ... And gave me the booklet and made ms sign for it Then Shen I read it it said swimming before vacs was fine! I could have accepted the hv being ignorant but she didn't have an inkling that she was bullying on totally spurious grounds !

Hmm iPhone not being very cooperative None of the things I have listed are local trends, but well established facts that, surely any health professional working in the field of child health should have in their basic knowledge base !

helena handbasket Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fuschia that's not really fair, a lot of what we > call being well informed is actually flavour of > the day or a local trend. It must be incredibly > hard to be giving advice of any kind in the google > age. Especially since the information online is > changing daily while government policy moves > slowly. > Not at all. I am thinking of things like weight gain slowing from 4-5 m in bf babies, about policy being to wean at 6m and never before 4 m, about being on a low centile line consistently not being a problem, about the old live polio vaccine not being a threat to unvaccinated babies swimming These things are not > We had a wonderful HV (eventually) who made up for > the neglect of our awful GP surgeries, and I hate > to think that the good ones like mine and > mumof3girlies will eventually move on because why > would you stay? That's part of why the service is > bad; there just aren't enough of them and the ones > who care burn out. Then you are left with the > rifraf. You see in health care, social services, > education. > > I realize people have been given bad advice, but > my GP's have been no better frankly and actually > worse. It seems like the problem is that there is > a black hole in infant care; the midwives aren't > around long enough maybe? And then mothers are > passed off to HV's who are generalists and are > basically agents for social services. There's no > continuity of care (at least not in my > experience). It reminds me of the frenzy from > Baby P, when social workers were dragged through > the mud and the faults of a massively broken > system were blamed on the demoralized humans at > the bottom of the chain. Obviously the HV system > needs to be improved but when it does work (ie > when they are able to properly do their jobs) it's > a great resource. It's like the NHS in general; > when it works it really works well but when it > doesn't it's a gong show.

Mumto3girlies I think we can sympathise with hvs who are very stretched and there are stories about very good ones offering great help to a friend of mine who had pnd but I do think they should be able to properly explain govt weaning policy... Saying it keePs chSnging, if a bAby isn't sleeping through it needs solids, Babies should sleep through by 6m etc etc are all bad Advice I suspect a particular problem I'm this area with some weak hvs and well informed mums

What I find particularly weird about hvs is surely all heLtj professionals are onloged to only give advice within official guidelines, so assuming that is the case , why do hvs not do that in relation to breastfeefing and weaning?

I would see the gp if it persists Your toddler must be very uncomfortable, poor love