Fuschia

new mother Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > follow on milk is allowed to be advertised etc I > believe... Yes, but that's a bit of a loophole.. and follow on milk and toddler milk only appeared in recent years, precisely to get round the advertising ban... and even then there has been a lot of controversy about the content of some of the ads, ending in the ASA requiring the end of misleading claims. It's all such a sensitive subject, but it does stick in my craw to see these huge multinationals bleating on about how hard done by they are, when they are massive machines seeking to convince us we need their products, literally from the cradle to the grave... I don't even really object to the formula ads particularly, but the adverts aimed at children and the awful diet of sweet drinks, cereals and disney branded rubbish they wnat to foist on children.. no wonder obesity is such a growing problem and the children of today will be the first generation with a shorter life expectancy that their parents. Scary. That's why I dislike these huge companies. They have no morals or scruples. Profit is their only concern.

I looked at Cherry tree back in 2003 and there was something a bit creepy about how subdued the children were. I then heard bad things about it, so didn't consider it. They weren't very polite to me either, when I said I was only looking for a part-time place.

new mother Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > SWoman, I agree with you. That wasn't my point. > Let me make it clearer - the point is that the > (obviosuly Labour party appointed) educational > inspectorate will not draw attention to this type > of thing when views on any form of selection > within education within the Labour party are so > polarised. I see it a bit differently... OFSTED not keen to properly scrutinse the govt's flagship academies.. to quote the original article I likned to: "However one feels about the policy of the yellow route/green route, surely it deserves a mention: it would seem to have a big impact on the experience of a group of pupils going from year nine onwards, and yet it is not covered at all. ... Instead, the report simply celebrates the ?Harris Way?, without explaining properly what this is. Some passages of text are repeated verbatim later in the report. And it culminates in a gushing, almost Soviet-sounding conclusion, in the letter to pupils: ?We hope that you will work closely with the staff so that there will never be a glitch in the glorious history of your academy.? " !!

sillywoman Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Charter does this too. Not at all weird. Actually > seems quite sensible and plays to the strengths of > a very mixed ability yeargroup - I assumed it was > standard practice in a lot of state secondary > schools now? But not to put a child just in one group or another, surely? Isn't there a place for a child to be struggling a bit in English but gifted in Maths, or music, or Art, for eg? I think I'd want my child to be taken on his merits and placed in the best group for each of his subjects, not labelled "academic" or "non-academic" at the age of 13?

buggie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- is really wrong to > suggest that pain relief/sedation could cause > further complications Not sure if you're arguing an epidural can't cause complications.. I presume not and you are talking just about broken limbs and what have you... because my main reason for not wanting an epidural (for eg with our twins) was becauae I felt once I was immobilised, there possibly would be complications or at least things would be slow, and my main wish was to be upright and mobile and see if that was enough for a speedy easy labour...

What Mothers Do by Naomi Stadlen is another great book to help you adjust to the whole motherhood thing.. the library has that too

It's a bit of a myth that if you follow this 3 point plan and this 5 point strategy etc etc your baby will sleep through at early age.. goes against the whole evolution of the human race, fast development of the brain, easily digested human milk, blah blah. I can really recommend Science of Parenting by Margot Sunderland (the library has it) as an antidote to the 'baby manuals' and might reassure you your baby is perfectly normal.

I don't know, I did read '"show me a footballer who gets his broken leg reset without state of the art anaesthetic" as implying there was something downright weird about any route through labour that didn't involve an immediate request for the maximum drugs necessary...hence my response that there can be a playoff in labour where you take the pain, in order to keep mobile, in the belief the outcome will be better, and that's a valid choice... just as it's a valid choice to have an epidural. I don't really understand the reference to guilt, is this something people feel guilty about, really? Edited to add the info about mobility and length of labour: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/5153441/Walking-around-in-early-labour-better-than-lying-flat.html

sledge Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Fuschia - congrats on your pregnancy. How old are > the twins? Sounds like you might have your hands > full. Good Luck. > > xxx 25m atm! Will be 2 3/4 when the new one comes... yes, I will be the one with a double buggy and either a newborn in a sling or one twin hanging off a buggy board trying to grab things off of shelves. That's if we ever leave the house again, of course!

If twin II had been breech I would have gone for it, Kings were quite happy with that.. in the event, she was head first.

Lochie Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- I remember reading an > interesting article in the new year though about > formula being as good as breast milk (soz Belle > not trying to start a b milk v. form debate, I'm > just always interested in the way this is handled > by the health profession...) > http://www.nursingtimes.net/nursing-practice-clini > cal-research/clinical-subjects/midwifery/baby-form > ula-as-good-as-breast-milk-claims-study/5010121.ar > ticle Not wanting to start a debate either, but if you read this follow up, it rather pooh poohs the basis of that research (a retrospective study into a couple oo hundred women) http://www.nursingtimes.net/whats-new-in-nursing/behind-the-headlines-archive/hormones-and-breastfeeding/5010203.article "Based on this one small cohort study, the claims that breast milk is of no benefit to health are unfounded. The study did not investigate whether breastfed babies were healthier or not, but looked only at levels of their mother?s hormones during pregnancy and their breastfeeding after giving birth." The study really doesn't provide the evidence for the many press reports I have seen that make much of the iddea that there is no benefit to breastfeeding.. I don't know WHY the media always jump on things like this?

echo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I will confess I am a little worried > about how my daughter will cope with the > competition- Mine need to stop before the new baby comes, really, as they tend to squabble over their favourite side even when they have one each, as at present. Can't see them being very impressed at having to share with a baby, so while I'd probably be quite laid back feeding a newborn if I had a toddler still feeding sometimes, I can't quite picture it in our current circumstances!!

The Infant Formula and Follow-on Formula Regulations 1995 Restrictions on promotion of infant formulae 19. No person shall at any place where any infant formula is sold by retail- (a) advertise any infant formula; (b) make any special display of an infant formula designed to promote sales; © give away- (i) any infant formula as a free sample; or (ii) any coupon which may be used to purchase an infant formula at a discount; (d) promote the sale of an infant formula by means of premiums, special sales, loss- leaders or tie-in sales; or (e) undertake any other promotional activity to induce the sale of an infant formula. 20. No manufacturer or distributor of any infant formula shall provide for promotional purposes any infant formula free or at a reduced or discounted price, or any gift designed to promote the sale of an infant formula, to- (a) the general public; (b) pregnant women; © mothers; or (d) members of the families of persons mentioned I don't think any of this is designed to make women feel bad if they're not bf. But the formula companies and their million pound advertising budgets don't really need any more help!

The point I was trying to make is that one of the previous posters implied that a woman who refused an epidural was a bit mad (like having a leg set with no anaesthetic) which rather failed to appreciate that there are many woman who eschew any pain relief they feel may slow labour down and bring its own complications. There is nothing mad or stupid about this... Obviously there are other women who by choice or necessity go with an epidural. But there's nothing that says it's bizarre not to go that route.

The World Health Organisation Code on Breastfeeding states that formula is not allowed to be advertised directly to the public, samples can't be offered and no price promotions including discounts / points are permitted.

I believe promotions linked to formula are not legal.

new mother Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- . > I can see why the inspectors don't want to draw > attention to that.... Well actually it's the sort of thing you might expect an inspection to notice and comment upon...

The point I found interesting was more that the OFSTED report on the school was pretty shallow, non-critical and didn't make reference to the green route/yellow route approach. Most schools do set by ability in many subjects, but they don't have a blanket categorisation of students into academic and non-academic early in their secondary school career.

Keef Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely everyone sees how they go with gas and air > for a bit don't they? I think if you're lucky and it's fast and you have a pool etc, not necessarily.

new mother Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Friend of mine has one answer to the mere concept > of "guilt" re epidurals. > > "show me a footballer who gets his broken leg > reset without state of the art anaesthetic" On the other hand... To pinch your analogy.. if you were offered the chance to stay upright and hop about a bit while they fiddled with your leg, and a pretty good chance it would all be over quickly and you could be home next day.... vs take the drugs but have to lie down on a bed and the possibility complications will arise that will require major surgery and staying in hospital for up to 5 days... personal choice of course but I think I'd go for the keep yourself mobile see how you go with the gas and air option!

kerry.finlay Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Spoke to some friends last night and one had a > great idea - hire a private midwife for a day or > half day before and after the baby is born to come > and talk you through the main issues, answer > questions and give advice. Or a doula to eb with you. If you are booked with any of the community midwives (Lanes, Brierly etc) I would presume they do discuss birth plans etc with you anyway? I never attended any classes, though I had independent midwuves with me. My knowledge of issues around birth all came from reading, though, inc my investigations into the safety of a natural birth with twins.

Jo31 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- To get the friendship and > support you can always join a local NCT tea group > after you have had your baby. The system has folded here in SE22, butthere are other ways ofmaking mummy friends.

I'm 12w pg and bf twins.

There is a breakfast club and after school club at Heber (not sure about the former but the after school club is ?22 p/w I think) though when my son was small we used a childminder (hard to find though!) and now we manage with flexible working and a bit of jelp from family and one day a friend's mum picks him up with her one Do you see youself as a private school family/parent? Wull you be able to pay for both to stay in the private system with up till 18?

craigy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >> > If you are in this black hole around Forest Hill > Road/ Peckham Rye and not in the East Dulwich ward > despite the SE22 postcode does that mean that you > cannot realistically apply for the ED schools... > my nearest is St Johns (450m) which I know is > unrealistic as it will be a non faith place and > Goose Green or does it only go on distance > regardless of which ward you live in... The ward you are in is not relevant. But most places go firstly to siblings and then children for whom it is their NEAREST COMMUNITY SCHOOL, only after that is a straight distance criteria applied. So you may be closer to Heber, say, than a friend of yours, but they may get in while you do not, if you have another school closer to you.