Hmmm. Have to agree with the Manc support on this one. There's a saying in Liverpool "We're not English, we're Scouse", which is down to football but also because a lot of liverpool folk feel let down by how they've been outcast by the rest of the country. Whether you get it or not, football is like a religion up there and it's club over country every time. Actually feels quite hypocritical cheering on Ferdinand when he's wearing an England shirt and I just can't get in to it. One thing that you will rarely ever see at Anfield is a St George's cross with "Bootle reds" or whatever, across the middle. However I have often noticed them at Old Trafford or with the united travelling support. On the other side I also agree with Atila in the sense that whatever Ronaldo did against England it was also to a team mate and I found that all a little peculiar. If the above makes no sense, it's because i'm a bit drunk and therefore i'm sorry. PS - red devil, you go from one end of the spectrum to the other there with Miss Ellison. Funny though.