david_carnell

It appears that 'Arry's technique for keeping Spurs up this year is merely to re-sign all their old players. Chimbonda has just arrived back after a brief soujourn in Sunderland. Oh, and Cudicini has signed on a free as well. Now that is a good signing.

Blimey Loz.....I thought that was hard. I nabbed it from a quiz I did last year online and the Crombac answer took me days to find out!

I've got a triple whammy - and it's a toughy! http://www.theflaneur.co.uk/jul2.JPG Towards the end of his life, this renowned Scottish sheep farmer (illustrated above) began a new life in the Gallic capital: sharing his flat with an eminent French Swiss sports scribbler (see below). http://www.theflaneur.co.uk/jul3.JPG 1) Name the 'Flying Farmer'. 2) Name the jolly gent in the flat cap and specs. 3) From what was the chap driving the very fast car seeking refuge by taking up residence in Paris?

And welcome back to civilisation..... ;-)

Charlton Athletic

Declan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > On a similar vein.........name the four teams in > the English Leagues (Prem to League 2) whose names > begin and end with the same letter. Aston Villa

Dulwich_ Park_ Fairy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > named Clopton Lloyd-Jones > > I can't imagine someone called Clopton Lloyd-Jones > roasting aspiring models in hotel bedrooms. They > were cut from a different cloth in those days. Indeed they were DPF as this mini-biog shows: Educated at Trent College, Lloyd-Jones played for Southill Park for two seasons before joining Clapham Rovers. He played for them for five years, with that 1880 win over Oxford University being the highlight. ?Clopton?s parents were Welsh ? his father, Charles, was known as the squire of Hanwood ? and that is why he was selected to play for Wales against England in 1885. However, he never gained his cap because he was unavailable for the match,? said Madley. ?At the time of his international selection, he was playing for Castle Blues, in Shrewsbury, who were affiliated to the FA of Wales. He hung up his boots in 1886 when the Blues voluntarily disbanded after being found guilty of violent and dangerous conduct. ?He then represented Shrewsbury on the Shropshire Amateur FA and became deputy captain of the Pengwerne Boat Club in Shrewsbury. He was also a keen cricketer, who played for Herefordshire, Shropshire and Radnorshire county XIs as well as Shrewsbury, Montgomery, Pontesbury and Abbey Foregate at club level.? He moved from London to Shrewsbury in 1884 and set up business in the town as a bookmaker. He died from cancer of the bladder at the age of 59 and was buried in the Longden Road Cemetery in Shrewsbury.

Well done Declan. Indeed it was Clapham Rovers who beat Oxford University 1-0 in 1880 at Kennington Oval, in front of a crowd of 6,000. The wonderfully named Clopton Lloyd-Jones scored the winner.

Chelsea, Coventry, Cardiff and Charlton are correct so far. The fifth one is the toughest to get. The final was played in front of just 6000 people too.

1 out of 2 for you ????

3/5 Ted... not bad.

Can you tell me the five teams who have won the FA Cup that begin with the letter C?

Pint of Brains Ordinary in Hoopers.....?1.99....I nearly fainted when he told me.

Dick Fosbury and his eponymous flop.

Espelli - VAT on ready-meals is an interesting one. The supermarkets and manufacturers of said meals would go ape-shit at the idea but it's worth more exploration. Perhaps coupled with the "carrot" of further education in home economics (heavily discounted for those on low-incomes) in order for healthy eating to be more easily achieved. Indiepanda - have PM'd you about those books. Thanks. I'm not sure it is just people on benefits who have tight budgets for food these days. The tv programme highlighted whole families from Leeds, with seemingly both parents working, and in the current climate everyone is considering cut-backs. Food items are often the first to suffer. I'm in agreement over the issue of time and education being the key to healthy food though, as opposed to budget. However, Britons work the longest hours in Europe - not something conducive to "slow-food" (of which I am a big advocate - see here).

Religion and politics are the reasons for war? Really? Tell me more.....

And the West Wing footage at the end is a sure-fire classic scene.

@Indiepanda Yes, this thought had occured to me too. If supermarkets make the budget ranges the same as the regular product (if not the luxury range) then all customers would switch thus making it uneconomical. Which makes it problematic. Essentially I do believe that with such a tight grip on the marketplace (supermarkets now account for over 90% of our grocery purchases) that they do have an obligation to the consumer and society at large. Where this obligation begins and ends though is obviously a tricky one. The sausages are all clearly labelled as to their meat content so consumers are able to make a choice - if they can afford to. So should we ask how we could subsidise healthy food for those who need it the most, without everyone buying it? I don't know. At least as far as meat is concerned, I am convinced that Britons in general, do not pay enough for it. It should be more expensive. Why? Because of the pressure on farmers, the animal welfare concerns associated with this, the (lack of) quality and nutrition in cheap meat and the current obsession with eating meat every day (and the environmental pressures this brings) all point to the dangers of "cheap" meat. Less, better quality meat is a more favourable option imho. I'm open to other ideas though.

I have just watched Guardian food critic, and son of Clare, Jay Rayner present a rather interesting programme into the nutrition and cost of supermarket ?budget? ranges i.e. Sainsbury?s Basics or Tesco Value. The gist was that these ranges include foodstuffs that (predominantly the meat-based products but not exclusively) are devoid of the nutritional content compared to their more expensive cousins. For example, budget meat pies contain less meat (and therefore protein) than regular or luxury meat pies and budget sausages likewise. So far, so predictable ? at least, this didn?t come as a huge shock to me ? but along with some food science boffins Jay was able to show that it was possible to increase the meat content (or other nutritional value) and decrease the use of fat and connective tissue of these ranges for miniscule amounts of money (i.e. 0.7p per sausage) and bring them to the same standard as the regular products. Taste tests were done amongst the patrons of Deptford market and again, with little surprise, it turns out a meat pie with more meat in it is tastier than one with less meat. But to the crux of the issue..... The proposition that Rayner put forwards was, that in the name of Corporate Social Responsibility, supermarkets should increase the nutritional content of these products (which are aimed at those shopping on very tight budgets) at no increased cost to the consumer i.e. the supermarkets should cut their profits or make them elsewhere. So, in these hardened economic times, does this House believe that in the name of social responsibility supermarkets should absorb a loss on their cheapest products, to provide those who can afford no better a more nutritious and tastier meal OR are supermarkets responsible only to their shareholders and after fulfilling legal obligations seek to maximise their profit margins wherever possible, including in budget ranges targeted at the most financially vulnerable in society?

Could you not try and inhabit the void between "sympathetic" and "gleeful"? I'm sure there's room there somewhere.

Although I'm no fan of estate agents, I am finding the glee expressed on here at people losing their jobs a little distasteful. Please bear that in mind when discussing further closures.

Ted Kennedy? Jesse Ventura?

As you are currently based in Singapore, Huguenot, I fail to see any social benefit you're contributing to "Great Britain Plc"? Would you care to enlighten me (or the mob of nurses currently baying for you)? Or did you merely reap the benefits of a tax payer funded college education and then depart for a low income-tax expat haven in the sun? Still I'm sure you'll return in your dotage... Just in time for the NHS to pick up the bill for your cocktail-induced cirrocis(sp?). Thanks.

Phattmatt (is phatt a way of disguising your cheese and hotdog consumption?), perhaps this thread, which hasn't been used recently, might help: http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,64013,page=1 And welcome to the forum.

And just for data comparison: If the majority of nurses now entering the profession require or have a degree, then graduate starting salaries can be found here. ?20-24k for a nurse (if that's what we're discussing) would seem to put them slap bang in the middle. Any complaints?