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rendelharris Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > There's an awful lot of confirmation bias involved > in these stories, I believe. I must remember this the next time the Russian Aggression thread kicks off...:)

flocker spotter Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > macron may be a right wing opportunist but his > recent musing is pretty much spot on. its like we > are a country who have been subject to a mass 419 > and still stubbornly deny we have been done like a > kipper. I'm trying to work out why the arch-Brextremist Telegraph ran this headline. I understand why they would want to stick the knife in May, but it's hardly complimentary to their replacement poster-boy Johnson either...

...and yet still the bombastic Brextremists bluster on blah de bloody blah :)

Old age!...:)

Week 5 points... Week 5 table...

Are you feeling ok ted, there's no corny punchline?...

Humans are tribal by nature, we self-identify from an early age, the so-called 'echo chamber' is just another manifestation of that...

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't - but I read newspapers (remember them?) > and nonsense that has appeared from all sorts of > quarters on Twitter is often reported. Well, that certainly explains your jaundiced view. You do realise that what you wrote could equally apply to the EDF in some people's eyes? Just saying...

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I thought the nature of Twitter was people writing > narcissistic and/or self-serving (and generally > meaningless) drivel in the mistaken, but certain > belief that anyone else gives a t*ss! Well, I suppose if you look at Twitter accounts of that ilk, it's understandable why you would have such a jaundiced view...

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > > Are you kidding me - most of the musings from > DAG are in the nature of soundbites! Tis the nature of Twitter to write concisely and punchy, however a soundbite is actually a phrase extracted from a speech/article and oft repeated e.g. Brexit means Brexit, Will of the People etc...

Forget about all the soundbites, Brexit is ultimately a legal process. This by @davidallengreen sums up where we are from a legal perspective... On 29 March 2019, the UK will cease to be a party to the EU treaties, by automatic operation of law. For that to happen, nothing else needs to be done. No deal is needed. No decision is needed. No vote, by anyone or anything, is needed. UK is on a conveyor belt, and 29 March 2019 is when we tip off the edge. There are three legal routes to the UK not departing the EU on 29 March 2019. None of these routes seem to be a realistic option. No senior politician or decision-maker in UK or EU27 is currently promoting any of these three routes. The first route is that a new exit date is agreed, as part of an exit deal agreed before 29 March 2019. The second route is that UK and EU27 agree for an extension of the two year A50 period. The third route is that the A50 notification is revoked, and that Brexit is - in effect - cancelled. None of these are in sight, though this may of course change. But: time is running out. There is now (IMO) not enough time for primary legislation similar to the Referendum Act 2015 to pass before March and for there to be a new referendum. The last Act took about a year, from beginning to end. There is nothing wrong in sincere attempts to "stop Brexit" by a further referendum, but there has to come a time where the advocates of such a further referendum have to accept there is not enough time to put one in place before March. In UK, the government and its backbenchers are in a scrap about the "Chequers" proposal. But there is little in that proposal which goes to the exit deal - it is mainly about the UK-EU relationship deal after exit. The main issue between UK and EU now is the Northern Irish backstop. This can be addressed before next March so that there can be an exit deal, but there will have to be some movement and fudge. The UK government, however, is not helping itself by idiotic threats to renege on issues already agreed in principle. Makes agreement harder, as it destroys trust. The UK government is also preparing for "no deal" more than it seems to be preparing for the shape of any ongoing relationship. In effect, little constructive thought is going into what happens next, after Brexit takes place. Domestically, a significant number of people (on both "sides") are forever re-fighting the referendum campaign. Like some historical re-enactment society. Other people are denying the possibility of a further vote (either by referendum or by parliament) on the basis that the 2016 vote was binding. It was not: any democracy can change its mind, at any point. A further vote is impracticable, but it is not "undemocratic". And the UK and EU have spent 18 months of time and resources simply to keep things the same. Both the exit deal and the "Withdrawal Act" are complex exercises in continuity - attempts to carry on just as before as much as possible after March 2019 Almost nobody, any where, is thinking constructively about the post-Brexit relationship. Almost everybody's minds are elsewhere: denying, objecting, campaigning, insulting, or working to keep things the same. An extraordinary spectacle on the eve of the UK's departure. Perhaps the folly of doing Brexit in this way means that, before March 2019, Brexit implodes under the pressure of its own absurdity and the lack of real preparation or thought. We will be saved by some wonderful bell. Meanwhile EU27 brace themselves for UK's departure, some with sadness, some with a wince, and some with little more than a shrug. There is no reason for EU27 to save UK from the consequences of its own sovereign decisions. For them, Brexit means Brexit. And that is where we are with Brexit.

A few recs on this previous thread... http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,1707231,1707231#msg-1707231

Week 5 fixtures... Saturday 15th September Tottenham Hotspur v Liverpool AFC Bournemouth v Leicester City Chelsea v Cardiff City Huddersfield Town v Crystal Palace Manchester City v Fulham Newcastle United v Arsenal Watford v Manchester United Sunday 16th September Wolverhampton Wanderers v Burnley Everton v West Ham United Monday 17th September Southampton v Brighton & Hove Albion

Week 4 points... Week 4 table...

Brexit isn't the dog's wotsits, so take Fido and Fifi along to the wooferendum walk, Sunday 7th Oct... https://www.wooferendum.org/the-march/ Walkies not porkies. Warning: Site may contain pawlitical puns...

Unseen photo reveals real reason why David 'Thick as Mince' Davis failed to deliver on Brexit negotiations... *Zippos' talent spotter perks up...*

Hola! International break so plan to post results/fixtures next week...

You may have hit on a USP there sb, targeting post-Hipsters channeling their inner Bear Grylls meets Jay Rayner. I feel a Toasted Bruschetta Insole coming on for brunch...

Week 4 fixtures... Saturday 1st September Leicester City v Liverpool Brighton & Hove Albion v Fulham Chelsea v AFC Bournemouth Crystal Palace v Southampton Everton v Huddersfield Town West Ham United v Wolverhampton Wanderers Manchester City v Newcastle United Sunday 2nd September Cardiff City v Arsenal Burnley v Manchester United Watford x Tottenham Hotspur

Week 3 points... Week 3 table... Needed that to get back in the game...

Ididn'tinhale...

Remove the veneer of Brexiters' sloganeering soundbites and you're left with a vacuous void of nothingness. They simply haven't got a clue...

Have a good Weekender...