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Maybot to ask for a short extension i.e to the end of June. All this does is move the No Deal cliff edge along, thus no incentive for the DUP/ERG to vote for her deal. Once again she's pandered to the loony brigade instead of putting the country first...

But you were talking in the context of recession, and for that to hold and make sense you need to refer to rate of growth, not just growth per se...

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Straight into recession. Utterly false, GDP has > grown every quarter since - it is the German > economy on the brink of recession. I didn't have the time to respond to this earlier, so I'd like to revisit. I always thought that the claim of going straight into recession after the referendum was a strange one, because for there to be a technical recession there needs to be 2 successive quarters (i.e. 6 months) of falling GDP growth (note falling not negative), which means it's impossible to go into an immediate technical recession. Happy to be corrected if there's another definition of recession that economists use. Also, when recession is mentioned one has to look beyond the headlines. For instance, let's say Germany's GDP fell from 2.5% to 2.25% to 2% over 2 quarters, and over the same period the UK's rose from 0.5% to 1% to 1.5%. Germany is technically in recession but still performing better than the UK. I'm not saying that's the case now, as I haven't checked, just that one needs to dig deeper to get the bigger picture. I have though had a look at UK GDP and I can't find anything that backs up your claim that GDP has grown every quarter since the referendum. Growth has remained positive, i.e. above 0%, but it hasn't continually grown each quarter, there's been lots of ups and downs. Here's a graph to explain...https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth I also think it's better to look at long term growth as opposed to snapshots, I'm spoiling you, here's another graph... https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-higher-europe/ Note the switch-over in fortunes between the EU and UK just happens to be at the time of the referendum. Around this time the world economy in general picked up, yet we trundled along. And as has often been cited, the UK went from being at the top of the G7 growth league to the bottom. Brexit itself can't be blamed as it's not happened, but uncertainty over it has clearly played a big part...

robbin, I knew all about the Treasury economic predictions used by the Remain side, I just wanted to make sure you did too. I actually paid little attention to both campaigns, in fact I don't think I posted anything on here pre-referendum. I have always been very pro-EU, not just for economic reasons, so my voting intention wasn't swayed in the slightest by the Remain campaign. I'm sure the same can be said for some Leave voters and the Leave campaign. With regard to the Treasury predictions, I believe that they came with some important caveats, namely that should Leave win, A50 would be triggered the day after the referendum, and that there would be no financial stimuli to the economy. As we know A50 wasn't triggered until 9 months later, and the BoE intervened quite quickly after the referendum by lowering interest rates and increasing QE, thus voiding any prediction. As an aside, when did getting an economic forecast wrong become 'lies'? As for both sides telling porkies yet I'm only concentrating on one side, I'm reminded of the adage two wrongs don't make a right. As far as I'm concerned the side that wins, in this case Leave, becomes accountable for their promises, they have to deliver regardless of what the other side said, everything Remain said is now irrelevant, just like it is when a party loses an election, instead it's up to the winning party to deliver on it's promises and be held accountable if it doesn't...

Anyone know what's happened with rendel, his account has been deactivated/closed...

Absolutely!...

As David Allen Green succinctly puts it... The sound of @RobertBuckland, the Solicitor-General, claiming there is a "constitutional crisis" is the sound of the constitution working.

What lies in particular robbin?...

He's going for the statue outside Parliament instead.. :)

Wow, he has ruled about another vote on the same deal, needs to be a substantial change. Think I'm gonna break into that popcorn I stockpiled...:)

John Bercow, the Common speaker, is making a surprise statement to MPs. He says there has been much speculation about another meaningful vote. On 13 March Angela Eagle, the Labour MP, asked if it would be proper for the government to keep putting the same motion to a vote. He says MPs from both sides of the House, and from both sides of the argument, have expressed their concerns to him their concerns about MPs voting on the same thing over and over again. Erskine May, the parliamentary rulebook, says an issue that has been decided in substance cannot be brought back to the Commons. As much as I'd like there to be no more meaningful votes, if Bercow prevented one via Erskine May, it would give Brexiters ammo to say it was a Remainer conspiracy etc, and we'd never hear the last of it. Then again, fook it, I'm past caring about Brexiters and their blame gaming...:)

Angelina Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > What do you want him to do? Fook off out of the country like he said he would do if Brexit is a disaster...which it is, whatever side you're on.

Week 27 points... Week 27 table...

JohnL Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 'Led By Donkeys' seem to have come out of nowhere > - but they certainly know how to publicise LOL. I think they've been around a while (I made an oblique reference to them a couple of months ago... /forum/read.php?20,1833347,1999858#msg-1999858), the 'epic march' stunts have been very good, especially the one where Farage is on the bus...

Yes tedddyboy, I was asked to stand there to stop them walking off the cliff edge...

'Epic march' update. The march has had to take a 5-mile detour because a bridge on the original route closes on Sundays. Poor loves, it's not like Brexiters to come up with an idea then not have a plan to carry it out...

Well done Cowboy, the perfect last round surge. Thanks to Meds for organising, see you all at the World Cup...

So it's Day 2 of the 'epic march', with reports saying the numbers are now in the 70's...including press. Meanwhile, Nige's trotters must be playing up after walking all those hundreds of feet yesterday, as he's nowhere to be seen...#swillofthepeople

More of Nige's ''epic protest march''...

keano77 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You couldn?t make it up Actually, Brexiters did, and continue to do so. Meanwhile, they march, all 200 of them...

Does anyone know what the logic was in holding the march after the EU summit? I realise that the march had to be booked in advance, but the EU summits are known in advance too, and it was always felt that next week's summit could be a biggie for May in trying to squeeze something out of the EU. Marches are all about getting seen and being heard, so to hold the march before the summit surely would've made more sense than after...

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2019/mar/11/green-onions-booker-t-and-the-mgs-steve-cropper-booker-t-jones

Week 27 fixtures... Saturday 16th March AFC Bournemouth v Newcastle United Burnley v Leicester City West Ham United v Huddersfield Town Sunday 17th March Fulham v Liverpool Everton v Chelsea

True, but as Benn said yesterday, they will have another chance if May's deal is voted down again next Mon/Tues. Winning the Benn amendment wouldn't have made any difference in that respect as it would've kicked in on Wed. In fact there's a good argument that not winning the Benn amendment was a blessing in disguise, as had it won it could've spooked the ERG May's deal refusniks ahead of MV3. It's all about timings now, I also think Labour did the right thing not backing the 2nd Ref amendment yesterday...

Why do you say that John?...