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Last I heard the ERG jihadists like Baker and Francois haven't budged, supposed to be around 20. Their thinking is that May's deal is worse than remaining. Can't see the DUP backing May either, especially after May yesterday throwing them under the Stormont bus, plus Tory rebels, all adds up to not passing...

It's a false equivalence comparing an online petition with the referendum, if you want a like for like comparison there's the recent online petition to 'No Deal on the 29th', which at the moment has drawn just over half a million signatures. What's interesting about both RevokeA50 and No Deal is how they have become legitimate solutions for each side to get out of this mess, especially when you consider neither was talked about seriously at the beginning. Both are easier to understand concepts and very quick to implement. I suspect the surprise popularity is down to 'battle fatigue', people just want it over and done with asap. RevokeA50's surprise popularity has also helped to 'mainstream' the People's Vote idea, which could be an important factor now that Parliament has to come up with a consensus solution...

JW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I always forget Habitat after that closed so many > stores - thanks for recommending. > > And for the other suggestions too. ED peeps are > the best. In case you haven't yet checked, Habitat has 25% off this weekend, the Tottenham Court Road store is still open... https://www.habitat.co.uk/sofas-armchairs

Scotland fans having paid ?1 to watch their 3-0 humiliation by Kazakhstan, then sing ''We want our money back''...:)

Leave meaning what exactly?...

I believe there needs to be an SI (Statutory Instrument) passed in the HoC before the 29th that mirrors last night's extension agreement. If passed that will legally replace the existing 29th deadline...

The humiliation is complete. According to YouGov, Piers Morgan is more popular than May's deal. Welcome to our special place in hell...

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > May 7th seems to be off the table - Alberto > Nardelli now reporting on Twitter > > 'EUCO agrees to an extension to 22 May, provided > WA is approved by the HoC next week. If the WA is > not approved by the HoC next week, EUCO agrees to > an extension until 12 April, expects UK to > indicate a way forward for the consideration of > EUCO'. May was asked is she had a Plan B if the WA didn't get approved, she didn't have one so they've giver her one instead. The national humiliation continues...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And too balls deep in Twitter. If you're not already following/reading David Allen Green, do so, he's in his element right now, ripping to shreds this omnishambles...

PS. Don't build your hopes up too much teddyboy, but the wedding could be back on!...

Sephiroth Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Robbin has publicly excommunicated me - but I > wouldn?t disagree with a single word of that I have publicly excommunicated robbin - but I wouldn?t disagree with a single word of that either...:)

I was gobsmacked when I saw highlights of that speech on the news late last night. Very busy at the moment, so keep up the updated news feed john!...:)

Sorry teddyboy. Anyway, you would've made a crap bridesmaid...

May being duplicit as usual. From the Guardian Live feed... After MPs voted on Tuesday for the second time to reject May?s deal, and on Wednesday (in a non-binding vote) to reject no deal, May told MPs that, if they did not pass her deal soon, the alternative would have to be a long article 50 extension. She said: ''If the house finds a way in the coming days to support a deal, it would allow the government to seek a short limited technical extension to article 50 to provide time to pass the necessary legislation and ratify the agreement we have reached with the EU. But let me be clear, such a short technical extension is only likely to be on offer if we have a deal in place. Therefore, the house has to understand and accept that, if it is not willing to support a deal in the coming days, and as it is not willing to support leaving without a deal on 29 March, then it is suggesting that there will need to be a much longer extension to article 50. Such an extension would undoubtedly require the United Kingdom to hold European parliament elections in May 2019.'' In other words, May now appears to be poised to ask for a short extension of the kind that she told MPs last week would not be on offer if the deal were not passed.

To put it more directly, I couldn't give a flying fook what you think...

?In the absence of a deal, seeking such a short, one-off extension would be downright reckless and completely at odds with the position this House adopted only last night.? ~ David Lidington, de facto Deputy PM, six days ago, in the Commons At the start of the Brexit process is was always thought that it would come down to who blinked first between the EU and the UK. Instead it's now who blinks first between the 2 sides of the Tory party. Up to now May has always cowed to the noise and threats of the ERG types, whilst the moderates have kept relatively silent. If May's request for an extension is indeed a short one, then this will be the last chance for the worm to turn...

Yep, probably something personal rather than on the forum...

Maybot to ask for a short extension i.e to the end of June. All this does is move the No Deal cliff edge along, thus no incentive for the DUP/ERG to vote for her deal. Once again she's pandered to the loony brigade instead of putting the country first...

But you were talking in the context of recession, and for that to hold and make sense you need to refer to rate of growth, not just growth per se...

robbin Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Straight into recession. Utterly false, GDP has > grown every quarter since - it is the German > economy on the brink of recession. I didn't have the time to respond to this earlier, so I'd like to revisit. I always thought that the claim of going straight into recession after the referendum was a strange one, because for there to be a technical recession there needs to be 2 successive quarters (i.e. 6 months) of falling GDP growth (note falling not negative), which means it's impossible to go into an immediate technical recession. Happy to be corrected if there's another definition of recession that economists use. Also, when recession is mentioned one has to look beyond the headlines. For instance, let's say Germany's GDP fell from 2.5% to 2.25% to 2% over 2 quarters, and over the same period the UK's rose from 0.5% to 1% to 1.5%. Germany is technically in recession but still performing better than the UK. I'm not saying that's the case now, as I haven't checked, just that one needs to dig deeper to get the bigger picture. I have though had a look at UK GDP and I can't find anything that backs up your claim that GDP has grown every quarter since the referendum. Growth has remained positive, i.e. above 0%, but it hasn't continually grown each quarter, there's been lots of ups and downs. Here's a graph to explain...https://tradingeconomics.com/united-kingdom/gdp-growth I also think it's better to look at long term growth as opposed to snapshots, I'm spoiling you, here's another graph... https://fullfact.org/economy/uk-economic-growth-higher-europe/ Note the switch-over in fortunes between the EU and UK just happens to be at the time of the referendum. Around this time the world economy in general picked up, yet we trundled along. And as has often been cited, the UK went from being at the top of the G7 growth league to the bottom. Brexit itself can't be blamed as it's not happened, but uncertainty over it has clearly played a big part...

robbin, I knew all about the Treasury economic predictions used by the Remain side, I just wanted to make sure you did too. I actually paid little attention to both campaigns, in fact I don't think I posted anything on here pre-referendum. I have always been very pro-EU, not just for economic reasons, so my voting intention wasn't swayed in the slightest by the Remain campaign. I'm sure the same can be said for some Leave voters and the Leave campaign. With regard to the Treasury predictions, I believe that they came with some important caveats, namely that should Leave win, A50 would be triggered the day after the referendum, and that there would be no financial stimuli to the economy. As we know A50 wasn't triggered until 9 months later, and the BoE intervened quite quickly after the referendum by lowering interest rates and increasing QE, thus voiding any prediction. As an aside, when did getting an economic forecast wrong become 'lies'? As for both sides telling porkies yet I'm only concentrating on one side, I'm reminded of the adage two wrongs don't make a right. As far as I'm concerned the side that wins, in this case Leave, becomes accountable for their promises, they have to deliver regardless of what the other side said, everything Remain said is now irrelevant, just like it is when a party loses an election, instead it's up to the winning party to deliver on it's promises and be held accountable if it doesn't...

Anyone know what's happened with rendel, his account has been deactivated/closed...

Absolutely!...

As David Allen Green succinctly puts it... The sound of @RobertBuckland, the Solicitor-General, claiming there is a "constitutional crisis" is the sound of the constitution working.

What lies in particular robbin?...