Acid Casual

That is pretty amazing. In fact, the whole album is amazing. Some of Gil Scott-Heron's best work is on his lesser know, pre-Brian Jackson days albums. And that one is a gem. titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Jagged jigsaw pieces > Tossed about the room > I saw my grandma sweeping > With her old straw broom > But she didn't know what she was doing > She could hardly understand > That she was really sweeping up.. > Pieces of a man > > I saw my daddy greet the mailman > And I heard the mailman say > "Now don't you take this letter to heart now > Jimmy > Cause they've laid off nine others today" > But he didn't know what he was saying > He could hardly understand > That he was only talking to > Pieces of a man > > I saw the thunder and heard the lightning! > And felt the burden of his shame > And for some unknown reason > He never turned my way > > Pieces of that letter > Were tossed about that room > And now I hear the sound of sirens > Come knifing through the gloom > But they don't know what they are doing > They could hardly understand > That they're only arresting > Pieces of a man > > gil scott heron

Utter Pish! Never going to happen.

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'm not sure it was a "tough" win for the pac-man. > He must have won pretty much every round. But > Clottey was so negative and defensive, I don't > think anyone could have looked good against him. > > I think Manny is a bit of an attention seeker > though. I think his pop career and movie roles > (and maybe even his political ambitions?) are part > of a need to feel adored. I'd say it was a tough win for a variety of reasons - one being that Clottey WAS so negative. That said, he did begin to inflict enough damage to have Pacquiao's eye at risk of closing. You can have a shut out, but it can still be a tough fight if the guy lands enough to make things uncomfortable. When was the last time we say Pac with such facial damage? Erik Morales 1 I think. I don't see it as easy a night's work as some would think.

My favourite song of the era... "We do not carry hatchets, and we do not carry blades, we only carry bendy straws to suck our lemonade" (Edit - Actually the above was not strictly true across the board)

ratty Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not heard "dresser" since about 1985. I think that tells you all you need to know about the whole cultural phenomena - as I noted on another thread, a movement of its time, and that time was about 1983ish (too early for me) to about 1992 (when I bailed out with my face and wardrobe largely intact) Anyone who tries to recreate what was a product of the times for the 21st century is a bit silly. That said, I will always be a casual in terms of my love for performance fashion, classic British and European clothing and finding new and different clothes to stay looking fresh and impressive. One of the things that makes me cringe about these 21st century casuals is that they fall into one of two camps... 1. Daft kids who think that casual shorthand means fairly obvious Burberry, Acquascutum and moody Stone Island (all of which I have worn or still own, but when it was fresh, not worn out) 2. Old men who should know better and dress much like the above. Me and my mates would not be seen dead looking like either of these creatures. None of us (OK, very few of us) have been anywhere near the sharp end of things for over 15 years, but we still have the casual aesthetic. The sort of brands we are likley to wear these days (because we still love performance fashion after all these years) are Woolen Mills, Engineered Garments, Barbour (still a classic), Superga (another classic) Yuketen and Quoddy handmade boots, Trickers and Grenson brogues, Sebago, Levis Vintage, CP Company (another timeless one), Albam, Clarks Originals, Filson, Fjallraven, Fox Umbrellas, Margaret Howell, Gitman Bros, Fracap, Gloverall, Nigel Cabourn, Mephisto, Norse Projects, S.N.S. Herning, Saint James, Guy Cotten, Universal Works, Ralph Lauren custom fit madras check, etc... The sort of sportswear as sported in The Firm is pretty much rinsed out as far as we are concerned. By the way, in response to Bob's original post as to the balance between clothes and fighting, generally depends on the person concerned I think. Contrary to popular belief casuals were actually a pretty broad church. From the above I think you can tell where my head was/is at. I couldn't wait for Acid House to give me an excuse to pack it in by the early 90s. As I said, I will always have a casual aesthetic, and it defined me in my personal style, but Acid House made me a better person (hence the moniker) If you see someone knocking around East Dulwich or Peckham Rye wearing vintage Barbour and a natty line in handmade footwear and madras check shirting, It is very likely me, and I think you'd mostly find me very agreeable. That's my point of view on it all.

By the way, as one of my mates says, not all "casuals" were football hooligans, and not all football hooligans were "casuals" I always preferred the term dresser anyway.

Sandperson Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And Acid Casual. I'm sure he was there too. Confirmed. Mr. Ben, I may well have been at the game you describe. Belated apologies!

Football Casuals. None more so. Loved being part of it all, had some great trips, made some great friends, had some brilliant laughs, but anyone who's still at it is a bit of a dinosaur. Also, today's version generally... 1. Dress like shite and don't really get the original aesthetic principle 2. Are fairly pathetic in numbers. I don't regret it for a moment, but find it amazing that there is an appetite for it amongst younger people these days (and older people who should have packed it in)

woofmarkthedog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Pacquaio > > In 6 rounds > > > W**F There is no way that Pacquiao will stop Clottey. I still stand by my original prediction quoted below. I would not be surprised if Pacquiao finishes the fight with a rapidly closing eye or similar collateral damage. He will win, but it will not be easy or a good night's work. My original quote - "I think that Pacqiuao will struggle to look good whilst beating him. And whilst I do expect Manny to win, I would not be surprised if the proposed superfight was scuppered by an upset." Khan Vs Malingaggi will be a good fight. I can see Paulie's movement and skill making Khan look stupid or at least frustrating him for a bit, but Freddie Roach will have prepared for this, and I think will have told Amir not to waste too much effort trying to hunt him down. Contain him, keep his space to a minimum and make him move, because he doesn't have the power to keep you off for twelve rounds would be my advice. I see Khan being behind after 3-4 rounds, but taking over and winning my a decent margin in the end - if not stopping him late on. Fundamentally, you need power to discourage people and Paulie suffers badly in that respect.

Nah, it's not a lot to learn at all. I'd go as far as to say that it might be the easiest entry point for technophobes to social networking, although oddly Twitter has a lower average age of user than Facebook which you might not expect. However, it could be that Facebook's current ubiquity means that every one from 8 to 80 can get their heads around it (with a bit of help from Grandkids or the like)

Twitter is like anything else. Use it badly and it is a pain in the @rse, use it well and it can be fun or even useful. ASOS make ?27 million per year (from a total turnover of around ?178 million) from their various Twitter feeds according to a friend who's other half works for ASOS. There was also another eye-popping stat that she reeled off concerning social media in general. The exact percentage escapes me, but it was something like 1 in every 3 pounds make by ASOS is derived from social media of some description. Pretty impressive. FWIW, it is also rapidly replacing email as a source of communication. The character limitation does two things however... 1. Shows us how much sh!te we actually type on email (and forums for that matter) 2. Accelerates the acceptance of text-speak as normal (boo!)

Brendan Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I think what he is asking is, why are you giving > someone the third degree for no apparent reason? Exactly. And needlessly as well.

I'd say that 'around her age' might mean around 22... Etc might suggest that she's fairly open to the suggestions of a local or two as to what might be worth doing. Am I in the right ballpark Charlotte?

A decent menswear boutique with decent brands and a good website so that it could sell nationwide and therefore afford to be a quirky local curiosity which might sell about 1 item a day from the actual shop.

Wonder who will be in the top 5? Benny Leonard Roberto Duran Henry Armstrong Ken Buchanan Alexis Arguello Julio-Cesar Chavez (Fleetingly) I'd say Duran. He was practically unbeatable at lightweight. Can't really comment on Benny Leonard as have barely seen any footage of him.

Well, in general the rule is that if you get up and then fall down again, the ref is obliged to stop the fight. The inference being that you are not in control of your faculties. What you don't see from the clip is that afterwards Zab tried to attack Jay Nady (the ref) with a corner stool after attempting to punch him. I can never see Khan beating Mayweather under any circumstances I'm afraid. I just think he still has too many flaws to iron out. Mayweather would just pick away at them. Remember, Freddie Roach has said that he took 8 years to get Manny to where he is now. I think Khan still needs similar work and somewhere along the line someone will land one on his chin again. Floyd will be gone by then. Who's speed wins out? I think Mayweather's because he uses it with more intelligence. I think I see what you mean about Tommy Hearns, but I think his style (I'm assuming you mean the semi-cross arm guard) was employed to more devastating effect. Hearns' punches were longer (as you'd expect with those arms) He stalked and relied on huge leverage and power coming from the feet to the hips to the torso, whereas Kahn's power comes more from 1. his speed and 2. his rythmn, but I guess you could argue that there were similarities. If I absolutely had to choose, I'd rather get hit by Khan I think (but I'd really rather not!) Some of Hearns' knockouts were just chilling - Pipino Cuevas and Roberto Duran to name but 2. Khan's shots will hurt, but Hearns looked like he could knock down walls with his. In the same way there are similarities between James Toney and Floyd Mayweather inasmuch they both use the philly shell, but while Toney takes the centre of the ring and is relatively economical with his movement, other than the shoulder dip and roll, Mayweather makes it look almost like a different technique due to his speed of footwork and additional lateral moves. So I guess similar, but different in both cases......If that makes sense! Agreed. Difficult to pick between Froch and Kessler. I'd have suggested Kessler clearly before the Ward fight, but I dunno now. OK, if pushed I'd say still Kessler, but no idea how. I think that Ward is a real class act and the unexpected star of the tournament. I think he needed this to propel him into the wider public consciousness. I must admit before the Kessler fight I'd not seen much of him at all, but I was very impressed. I think he might win it.

I think they all did pretty well. By the way, if you want to see some wacky involuntary movement after being punched, check out Kostya tzyu Vs Zab Judah on You Tube. Cracks me up every time...

Very sad. I overheard some tool say that he was only a fashion designer, and it's not like it was Nelson Mandela or anyone. Folk like that, I just cannot fathom. Who he is or what he was is not the point, he was loved by his family and their grief will not be helped by the opinion that he was "only a fashion designer" For the record, I've never owned anything by him, but I think a world where virtuoso talent is not present is likely to be very boring indeed. Poor bloke. He must have been desperately unhappy. The label will survive, being steered by a handful of his closest aides/muses I'd think, but any piece pre-2010 will now be a collector's item as it will have the hand of the man himself on it, and these will go for outrageous sums. Most likely some of them will end up in the V&A and other museums.

'Cept he can't fight in The USA, which has so far held his progress back quite a bit.

Ali Dizaei. Maybe we'll have to wait and see about scumbag of the year, but certainly scumbag of the week I think. Now proven to be a crooked hood. With so much previous smoke, everyone knew there was bound to be fire somewhere along the line.

Hmmmm! I dunno KK, Valero is certainly exciting, but he is flat footed as hell. I suppose because his feet are always planted that's how every punch thrown seems to be able to end a fight.

By the way, just before this thing sprouts arms and legs and runs away, I am not suggesting that The Upland is a violent, nefarious, shady den of criminality. I am only expressing my bemusement that in spite of it having all the ingredients that make a great pub and it looking very welcoming, it still attracts a slightly anti-social element. I am puzzled and wondered if any long standing residents of the area might enlighten me as to the past of this place and its likely influence upon it's clientele now.

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I don't mind the Upland and think the 'chavs' have > been drinking in there far longer than most > posters on here have lived round here...not you I > know Daizie I made no mention of chavs as a term of description at all. You can be extremely middle class, earn six figures plus a year, but if you lack basic social intelligence, a sense of decency, you are still an undesirable and are a possible liability in a public house. Just so happens that these lot were not of that social group. When I worked doors in pubs usually the hardest ones to deal with were middle class because despite the fact that they were drunk, acting up and harassing other drinkers, their sense of outraged entitlement made them a pain in the neck. That said, they usually entered the premises fine and ended up becoming anti-social as the drink flowed a bit too fast, whilst the white reebok classic brigade would usually not get by the door in the first place. Does that make me prejudiced or a bigot? Well I dunno and I don't care really. I can usually spot a likely trouble maker from a fair distance, so I'd always go with my instincts and experience. Experience from growing up, living next door to, going to school with, and generally mixing with folk like that. I'd say most would do the same if they had that experience to draw from. I think that the active word above is PUBLIC house. You mix with other people happily and sociably in public. If you can't then you are a dick. it's that simple in my view.

I might be in danger of going off on a tangent, but The Upland has always been a bit of a curiosity for me. I believe that it benefitted from new landlords a while back (a Kiwi girl and her partner if I recall?) and a real effort was made in all areas. When I first moved here about 4 years back I thought it looked quite nice and really inviting. From what I understand the landlords made a real effort which paid off for a bit. I also remember reading on here I think about how nice they were. Trouble is that ever since that initial impression, every time I have passed by or dropped in very quickly, the clientele seems to have been exclusively made up of Jeremy Kyle-esque morons. Before someone gets the hump about that description, it refers not to a social class or situation, but a state of mind. In this case ignorant and anti-social. One bloke in obligitory trackie bottoms and baseball cap encouraging his toddler daughter to kick the little statue of Buddah in the face, saying - "Fackin' batter it darlin! Always give anyone 'oo ain't christian a good beating!" As I said, morons irrespective of class or creed. Such a shame, as with good landlords which I am led to believe is the case, nice premises and good beer (which it has both of) you would think it would succeed. Can anyone shed any light on why it perhaps continues to be dysfunctional? Has it a long standing history which a series of reincarnations cannot overcome?

"I don't need to be a doctor to know when I've got the sh!ts" My uncle in response to someone stating the bleeding obvious.