Acid Casual

Jeremy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Yep, I would be very surprised if Jones managed to > pull off a decent performance. (OK so he looked > good against Lacy recently... but Lacy is pretty > poor and was never a deserving champ). > > The interesting question for me is, where does > Hopkins go after this? Surely he only has one or > two more fights left in him. I'd like to see him > against Chad Dawson, Lucian Bute, or maybe the > winner of the Super Six tournament. I know he's > been going on about fighting Haye, but I think > that's very unlikely (and could be a very > dangerous move). I just don't think he CAN give up. I don't think he'd know what to do with himself. Obviously working for Golden Boy Promotions was supposed to be the first step towards civilian life and quitting fighting, but the fact that he obviously still wants to fight suggests he's not as completely engrossed in it as he might have thought. If he is daft enough to fight Haye and if a network is daft enough to pay for it, he'll get taken out on a stretcher, and that is something you would never have thought possible to even contemplate for Hopkins. Haye's natural weight of 16 stone versus BHop bulking up to 14st 5lbs from his likely natural weight of 12.5/13st is just foolish. With that degree of natural difference, plus modern sports science etc, boxing ability is in danger of becoming a moot point in the affair. Haye lands a couple of times properly, Hopkins won't be able to diffuse such massive bombs like he usually does. It is far harder to move up to heavyweight than say welter to light-middle. The relatively recent introduction of the cruiserweight division is a tacit acknowledgment of that. Even now, it is very often a jump too far for a smaller cruiser to make. Obviously there are exceptions, like Valuev vs haye, but Valuev is such an abject performer that his size is not the insurmountable obstacle that it should be.

I'm fairly certain that Hopkins will win this one with ease. The thing that made Jones an outstanding fighter was his speed and reflexes. I've never seen a faster jab in my life I don't think. Because of these two qualities, his mistakes or lack of regard for boxing's rudiments went unpunished for a long time. Notwithstanding the fact that he was also an exceptional boxer, this is why he was so brilliant and also why he has declined so dramatically. Hopkins' success was never predicated on speed. He is a pretty tidy boxer himself obviously, but most of all he dug in. He used his skills and the stuff they DON'T teach you in the amateurs, i.e. how to negate opponents, how to tie them up, how to limit them, how to steal rests whilst wearing the other guy down - and also the stuff he probably learned in jail, i.e. how to break a man's spirit, how to intimidate, how to break someone down into bits so that even they do not know quite how they'll fit together again. He's also not adverse to a couple of nasty shots or headbutts now and again. In short, he's tough and savvy. He can still do all of that for 12 rounds against Jones. Maybe not someone like Calzaghe where he faded, but I can see him serving up a spiteful, nasty and career ending beating to Jones. In fact, spiteful is the word I would most regularly use to describe Hopkins as a fighter and apparently as a person.

I still think Mayweather is being an arse though.

KK, I think that Floyd knows his credibility would be shot to hell if he passed this one up. He doesn't have a fight on his date. Mosely doesn't have one on his. Prefect opportunity to solve two problems and no real reason for it not to happen. I still think that his drugs testing nonsense is still in the vain hope that Shane will do a u-turn. If this happens it will be good.

Correct, and agreed. Edit - Sorry, this post was @ Jeremy.

According the The Telegraph online, Mayweather and Mosely have agreed to fight on May 1st at the MGM Grand. Can this be true?...

Not so much umbrage, I'm just a bit perplexed!

I think the similarities between distance running and boxing is the extent of the endurance required. My brother is a really keen runner, and I think quite good. He is always amazed at the degree of endurance that I have put myself through when I was boxing seriously. Equally, when I saw the thing that Eddie Izzard did recently - I can't recall exactly what it was, but it was something mental like 20 marathons in a month - I remember being completely in awe of the lengths of endurance that he submitted himself to. I think what staggered me most was that before hand he was said to be not particularly athletic, and he just describes coming to terms with things, pain, endurance etc, in his mind, and I just though "Good God! That is a serious feat of mind over matter" Similarly though, boxers endure the most painful injuries and fight THAT'S FIGHT, NOT JUST COMPETE, through it. Myself, I've had to finish fights with a broken nose, several broken ribs and broken knuckles. In it's own way just the same mind over matter. As boxers we reconcile with the idea of pain quite early on I think. People who do not go through the same process are often unmoved by the threat of pain, but bewildered by it's reality. I think I'd be pretty bewildered by attempting to run 20 odd marathons in a month or whatever Eddie Izzard did.

Yes, just got it. Why, did he call you a cock as well? He called me one on another thread. I think I'll live through it, but still confused as to why.

Sorry, am I missing something here?...

Roll Deep Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Really? You struck me as the kind of unfortunate > still struggling with challenging tomes like: > > http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51mlMsKxvyL. > _SL500_AA240_.jpg Who on earth was that comment aimed at??!!?!?????

I'm reading The Devil's Paintbrush by Jake Arnott. It's alright, eh?

woofmarkthedog Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Acid Casual Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Nope. > > _____________________________ > > Ok, > > but given that AC is a cock, he may have an > aversion to "Fanny" > > They don't always "get on" you know > > > God, I thought everyone knew that > > > W**F What have I ever done to you to deserve you calling me a cock?

Nope.

I've met him at a party (which he gatecrashed) in Glasgow. He is a fanny.

I've just worked out that I have been involved with boxing for 27 years. 28 this year. And random chat like this reminds me why in spite of exhilarating highs and dreadfully depressing lows almost in equal measure, I still continue, deep down to to love it. It really is a sport like no other.

Ken Stott is an ugly man.

I'd probably go for Mayweather too now given their respective ages, but a few years ago maybe not. I love Sugar Shane, and I'd love him to win. I think you have called it right with Cotto/Margarito. Cotto's spirit was just broken, and that is the sort of psychological hex that can ruin a fighter. I think Cotto has been ruined by it. Hopkins is the master of this sort of thing, but Margarito is tough (with or without loaded gloves) On reflection, you also might be right about Hatton. He has just been ruthlessly starched by the world's two best fighters. Maybe he's due another chance, but I would not like to see it. I have been in or around boxing for over a quarter of a century and the result of him being KO'ed by Pac was chilling to see. Also having that fool Mayweather senior in his corner for Pac - an idiot of the highest order will have to be considered in mitigation, because that man is a goose. Anyhoo, back to the point. I think that Cotto has been psychologically shot. It remains to be seen if Hatton has too by the nature of his last two defeats. An interesting question. I just hope it does not have tragic outcome.

I think that Mosely is Mayweather's worst nightmare KK. Clever, fast, skillful and most tellingly - big! You can imagine Floyd's response to that one! It might well be true that he offered the fight years ago, but I'll bet he was offered the very short end of a horrible purse split. Something like 80-20. You can't blame Mosely if he told him to eff off. Hatton and Cotto would be a horrible spectacle because they are both so obviously now on the slide. Cotto has never quite been the same since Margarito decided that he'd quite like his hands to be wrapped in plaster of paris. probably be quite an entertaining fight while it lasted (Gatti v Ward?) but would eb the last stand for at least one of them in any sort of meaningful way.

Clottey is a test for anyone, that's for sure. pretty sure he's another one on Mayweather's avoid list, and i would not blame him one bit.

I have a lot of time for Clottey. He's never had an easy run of the mill type of fight, but he'll always step up no matter who he's offered. He's also as tough as teak with an iron chin. The only person to beat him by anything like a UD was Margarito. Two of the judges had it by slim margins of 116-112, and Eugene Grant who would surely have been better to let his guide dog score the fight had, the margin an improbable 118-109. Plus, with the benefit of what we now know about Margarito's loaded gloves in the Mosely fight, we can only guess as to what Clottey was being hit with that night. I think that Pacqiuao will struggle to look good whilst beating him. And whilst I do expect Manny to win, I would not be surprised if the proposed superfight was scuppered by an upset.

I remember a piece of comedy gold from the Beastie Boys' fanzine Grand Royal about 10 or 12 years ago where their "correspondent" got his long, metal style hair cut into a mullet as a piece of social reportage to assess if he was treated differently by people he encountered. I didn't stop laughing for about a week. Admittedly some of it was shooting fish in a barrel, like going into guitar shops and the staff making the assumption that he was after some sort of flying V style monstrosity, but it was just the mundane business of the guy going about his life and general business that made it so funny. He described various people's instantaneous response to his ludicrous Barnet as running the full gambit of reactions from bewilderment leading to over played normality and attempted polite indifference, to mirth and disgust. It really was very funny.

And what right minded person could disagree?....

What kind of mad speak is this!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!????? Veggie haggis!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!???????????

???? Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Ali wasn't a complete pup Acid! There was a > political message for the 'rumble' (especially) > but also the 'Thriller' it wasn't for Mr > Whitey...agree with your fundamental point (ie it > was stupid) but don't think King duped them. I didn't say anything other than it was a stupid decision. I'm sorry, but I've no idea what you mean by the Mr. Whitey comment, so I couldn't even begin to respond. As an aside, Don King sold Ali the idea of Zaire based on some half-baked notion of African symbolism which was a facade dreamt up to get Ali to say he'd do it, and he fell for it hook, line and sinker. That is consistently on record. There was no solidarity worth having with a dictator who routinely murdered his people and forced them to live in poverty. Don King said to Mobutu he could deliver Ali and Foreman to fight for the title, and he knew exactly what buttons to push with who. Ali's supposed intellect has been waaaaaaaay over-played over time. I really think that Don King, as hideous as he is, has more wit and guile at breakfast than Ali had all day long. George Foreman was an even easier sell. "Here's the dollars George. Sign here"