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No MM, Haven't read the Outliers. "It has been estimated that approx 1 in 15 UK doctors is likely to suffer some from some form of dependence" (ethics department, BMA) I don't know who they are quoting or where they got there figures, it is very difficult to get figures on doctors allowed to continue in there work, who have dependency problems. It seems common knowledge that many junior doctors use alcohol and other substances, and I know that help is offered to them and decisions made whether they can continue working with there habit. I cannot see why by acknowledging there tiredness this would enable them to make accurate diagnoses. Yes of course there is pressure and strain when dealing with life and death but surely a refreshed rested mind would be more able in dealing with these pressures. In fact it is contradictory to what we are told from our GP's, sleeping tablets being so commonly prescibed, because lack of sleep can be so debilatating. MM Do you know if there is public access to the number of doctors/juniors who have suffered from the three most common disorders (depression, anxiety and alcooholism) http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:K9yY7UWppQ8J:www.bma.org.uk/images/Doctor%2520patients%2520new%2520layout%25202_tcm41-147309.pdf+BMA+action+over+alcohol+consumption+doctors+and+nurses&hl=en&gl=uk&sig=AHIEtbQNaUE0Q0cg7JP7kOIaGaV5u8XFpA

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Marmora man, I can see what you're saying in proportion, where peoples lives or deaths become a statistic. The victims or families of victims who have suffered through human error in the NHS, often have a long wait for answers, to a very lengthly procedure. "The Royal College of Surgeons wants trainee surgeons on a 65-hour working week in order to produce safe, properly trained doctors and cover the workload required by hospitals." I cannot understand this, I do not have the figures, I do not believe over working and pressurising junior doctors will produce a safe enviroment.

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/4975055/Hospital-waiting-lists-will-soar-due-to-European-laws-surgeons-warn.html I find it quite frightening the hours doctors work, between 2008/2009, 6,080 claims of clinical and 3,743 of non clinical negligence against NHS bodies were recieved. ?769million was paid in connection with clinical negligence during 2008/2009. How many of these complaints were due to doctors over worked, I've no idea, but I can't imagine you are at your best when you are exhausted.

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He was accused of flashing last Feb. Transvestite flasher Pete Trigger faces a prison sentence after he flashed at parents and their children on the school run in Northampton. Trigger, 59, denied deliberately exposing himself to three women and their children ? who were as young as eight months old ? but was found guilty by Northampton magistrates yesterday. Two mothers told the court they saw Trigger, of Farndon Close, Thorplands, bend over wearing only a blue work coat. They said he intentionally showed his genitals to the group as they walked home from Woodvale Primary School in Crestwood Road, Thorplands. Trigger also came to the court's attention before Christmas when he was given an ASBO banning him from dressing like a schoolgirl or baring his legs. One of the parents, who cannot be identified, said: "His jacket came down to his knees and he had nothing on his legs apart from socks and shoes on his feet. It's a bit strange at school hours dressed like that with nothing on the bottom half. "He was walking in front and he bent over deliberately, picking up rubbish. It made me feel horrible letting my son see that. It did traumatise him. It was disgusting." Returning a guilty verdict, Kevin Foreman, presiding magistrate, said: "We are ordering a report to enable us to sentence properly. It is an all-options report so custody is a possibility."

Poor show of what mockney???? My etiquette, my not doing it the british way, what?????

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Yes I'd report it to admin, but whatever the subject of OP's thread, I think its important posters on that thread should know. If someone is upset by a PM sent to then which they feel was abusive or threatening shouldnt other posters be given a chance to offer support. I would imagine most posters don't know who each other are and there are some that do (forum drinks), and may know one another quite well. Roll Deep mentions this "Most people on here don't know what the other looks like so there's not much chance of having your nose bloodied over piffling comments made online whilst you're out 'n' about in the real world." If someone felt intimidated by someone, who they can see by the forums drink thread, attends these night out, and only told admin of the PM, the invite to members on this forum to meet up in the real world, would not seem so inviting, This is not only about ????s and Sniffy, when people know one another I think its slightly diffrent, but for people who don't. it could be scary.

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Fetish

I wouldnt hesitate in posting a PM if it was abusive or threatening, I think posters have a right to know.

I agree sniffy, I'm confused whether this is a rule on the forum, or you would be regarded as bad mannered or just not being British. If its the latter, by who???

Surely this doesn't apply when it is not a two way thing and the PMer is being insulting.

From thinking you'd bore me to inviting me round??? Or was that part of you PM to sniffy??

extortion

If someone sent me an insulting PM I wouldnt think anything of mentioning it on the thread I was on.

Bignumberfive Point missed, TE: you don't need the freedom of info act to read medical research, you do need training in how to read it meaningfully. This process WAS undertaken, and established opinion was NOT divided. No but you need the foia to read how decisions were made especially when The Department of Health are refusing to give the info.

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15 health officials and experts met up in a goverment office block on 11th Feb 1988. Thanks to the freedom of info act, we have access to the minutes of that and subsequent meetings. Although there was controversy about whether the MMR caused autism, the real concern was the vaccine could trigger devastating conditions eg: encephalitis-type conditions,including meningitis with symptoms such as swelling of the brain, lining of the brain and spinal chord. These people read a report from the Canadian authorities who had suspended the triple vaccine containing the urabe strain, whilst already hearing previous concerns the year before, and the years after. In September 1992 it was the UK manufactures that forced UK officials into finally stopping vaccinations with there urabe containing vaccine, and informed licensing authorities worldwide. Health officials "agreed on the 4th September that no action would be taken to evoke the manufacturers license as a change of purchasing policy was to be made by the department, revoking the licence would cause a world wide crisis" The Department Of Health has put up a fight to keep much information from us, they refuse to give names of the people who made the decision to go ahead with this vaccine, regardless of the warning, and this was well before Wakefield. Im more concerned with the findings that weren't published, I believe the officials and experts should come out and publish why they decided to ignore the warnings, Bignumberfive "In fairness to the individual parents, the purpetrators of this act of extreme arrogance were, in fact, the journalists involved, so caught up in their unwillingness to accept that perhaps their degree in English Lit did not equip them with the ability to critically appraise medical literature that they started a national health scare in the name of headlines rather than recognise their limitations. True reform of the system, in addition to the GMCs recent action, could include some sort of penalty for the science (i use the term loosely) correspondants for failing to adequately appraise the literature prior to starting a national panic based on it. The fact that this will not happen demonstrates clearly that the mainstream media do not, for all their swagger and bullshit, consider themselves to be expert, and certainly not responsible to the healthcare needs of the public. Such is the endpoint of power without responsibility. I'm sure this is true for some parents, but many have used the freedom of info act, so they can hopefully get nearer to the truth. Those who had the power to introduce this vaccine should be responsible.

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