keano77

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Okay, fair point JoeLeg but I think you'll > agree > > there are many people trying to undermine > Brexit. > > It's a bloody stupid idea that has the country > plummeting towards disaster. Trying to blame said > disaster on people pointing this out is like > blaming the sinking of the Titanic on the people > who said "I'm not sure sailing the ship towards > that ruddy great big iceberg is a good idea". Years ago Loz, people feared sailing towards the horizon meant you'd fall off the earth. In fact, if it was wasnn't for fearless Brexit-like types prepared to take a risk the Antipodes would never have been discovered and they're be no Dame Edna. Remainers are a bit like early cartographers - Here be Dragons

If I mention Dame Edna Everage have you heard of her/him, that character? 🙂

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > True Loz but you can do better than that. > > > > As you're not from these shores I think we can > > forgive you for trying to play down a Hunger > March > > of worldwide historic significance in such > crude > > numerical terms. > > > > My point, which you failed to grasp or ignored, > > was that the country is so divided on this > issue > > some form of civil war (very mild and pacific I > > hope) should not be discounted because a number > of > > Remoaners on here feel their lives will be > ruined > > because they might not inherit mommy and > daddy's > > second home in Provence > > You won the referendum, don't go blaming other > people if the outcome isn't what you want it to > be. > > Both major parties are in support, it's entirely > in your hands now. Don't act like 'Remoaners' > (classy way to move the debate on there, btw) > actually have any chance of derailing the process. > Brexit has been triggered and now it's in the > hands on David Davis et al. > > You got what you wanted, stop preemptively blaming > those with no control over the process for the > possibility that the EU might decide to play > hardball. No one has any idea what's going on > behind closed doors anyway, it's all spin and > posturing and PR. Nothing of any substance will be > known for months. So maybe sit back and wait > rather than telling others it's already all their > fault? Okay, fair point JoeLeg but I think you'll agree there are many people trying to undermine Brexit. Now, the whole thing seems quite simple to me. Firstly, it's becoming clear Michel Barnier, the EU chief negotiator, is an irrelevant patsy. We should refuse to talk to him. In the last 48 hours Guy Verhofstadt and another member of the European Parliament you'll never have heard of have threatened to veto practically everything. Solution? I do have an idea how we could wrap up all negotiations and trade deal well before Christmas but I suspect you wouldn't like it

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > As you're not from these shores I think we can > forgive you for trying to play down a Hunger > March > > of worldwide historic significance in such crude > numerical terms. > > World-wide historic significance?? I think you are > overplaying your hand there, keano. If it was that > significant world-wide, I am from one of the > countries that would be one of the most likely to > be widely aware of it. And it's not. ???. Amazing what they teach at skool these days

I agree with most of what you said JoeLeg (except the EU bit) Yes, we need to pay a true cost for food. I buy my milk from a milkman (glass bottle etc), 89p a pint if I remember but the supermarkets sell 4 pints for ?1. Am I a fool? I'm going to watch the Panorama programme at 8.30pm on farmers and Brexit so will get back to you then. I hope there's lots of footage of peasant French farmers wearing berets with yellow Gauloise fags in the corner of their mouth standing next to huge tractors more suitable for American prairies - claiming poverty and wondering how flash boy Macron with Louis XIV pretensions is going to subsidise their lifestyles now they're due to lose Britain's Billions

True Loz but you can do better than that. As you're not from these shores I think we can forgive you for trying to play down a Hunger March of worldwide historic significance in such crude numerical terms. My point, which you failed to grasp or ignored, was that the country is so divided on this issue some form of civil war (very mild and pacific I hope) should not be discounted because a number of Remoaners on here feel their lives will be ruined because they might not inherit mommy and daddy's second home in Provence

Aye lad

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > The FT hitting a few nails on a few heads. > > I wonder which of the three humiliating outcomes > the last few brexiteers would prefer? > > https://www.ft.com/content/d992b7c0-62fc-11e7-91a7 > -502f7ee26895 With all due respect titch, the only way we'll end up with humiliating outcomes is if the remoaners bugger it up. There's talk of cross-party involvement in Brexit talks, God help us. They say a camel is a horse designed by a committee. I dread to think what any Brexit deal will result in if every Tom, Dick and Harriet gets involved. We really will be a laughing stock of Europe and the world then. As for "... the last few Brexiteers ... " I think you'll find if Remoaners stitch up the democratic will of the people the Jarrow March* will look like a fitness club in Dulwich Park (* you might be too young to know what that was)

If farmers need to rely on subsidies they're in the wrong business. If the reason farmers are struggling is because supermarkets are cartels then let's support them Many of you will be too young to remember solidarnosk (solidarity, the Polish Trade Union). The Polish Government hiked up the price of bread and the poles refused to buy it. Three days later (I think) the Polish Government backed down. As consumers we are very powerful, if supermarkets pay milk suppliers, for example, pitiful prices don't buy milk until supermarkets pay more. Simples (Edited to add: more reason to leave the EU)

I understand your point kidkruger. Personally I contact those 'on the list' and explain someone has expressed interest but I'll get back to them if it's a no-show. I've often found the first person arranges a time/day to collect. They then postpone and re-arrange (fair enough) they then postpone etc and to cut a long story short don't turn up after a couple of weeks of messing you around. You then contact the next people on the list who've expressed interest and it's either so long ago they've changed their mind or they've spent their money on other edf purchases. Like many people who use the For Sale facility I could name names (some are persistent offenders) but life's too short

Nope. I agree with Karen (space) s Sheer bad manners. On the other hand, if I had a quid for everyone who expressed interest in buying something but never turned up I'd be posting this now from some exotic destination.

Cost. Your gas supplier will require you to fill out a plan showing where it needs repositioning. It is costed in metres moved. You can get your own gas safe plumber to move the meter and divert the pipe work so the gas people only need to reconnect the supply but then you have two sets of bills but it can be a lot cheaper

Yes

"... The bikeahangar is designed to be unobtrusive ..." As per a former post of mine - they look like pig pens blighting our roads

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Did Mark Carney use the words 'Project Economic > > Suicide'? If so in what context? > > > > Do you know, that's all my own!! But I'm not going > to trademark the phrase, as I feel sharing is > important. > > Mark Carney used much more diplomatic and > technical language. I thought so, thanks. He'd have been sacked if he had openly referred to Brexit in such terms.

Did Mark Carney use the words 'Project Economic Suicide'? If so in what context? Red Devil is correct, unsecured debt is a real worry for the BoE with car finance being a real concern. Increased rates will see repossessions and bankruptcies soar after years of low rates.

Seabag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > keano77 Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > I read up to the beginning of the second line > > > > "... The country is being governed by a talking > > robot, nicknamed the Maybot ... " > > > > I realised there was no point in reading > further > > as it was hardly going to be an objective > analysis > > > Which is laughable, as you're often (if not > always) referring to Junker being a drunk, in the > same sentence, when discussing Europe. > > I suggest you struggle on, have a read and put > you're dismissive nature to one side, as I often > do when reading your posts. The clue was in the title of the article and the spirit of the first line Seabag. Glad to read it amused you though.

Okay JoeLeg, I read it. As I suspected nothing new or constructive offered. I agree it's important to keep oneself informed which is why we should be selective and discerning rather than waste time with every Tom, Dick and Harriet's opinion.

Silly boy Lordship, writing such puerile nonsense. And my point about the precarious state of the banking system in your land of milk and honey, conveniently ignored?

titch juicy Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And anyway- to give an informed opinion, perhaps > you should listen to both sides of the story, and > offer a counter-argument to what's written above. As the article started off badly, I suspect it doesn't offer anything new or constructive to the debate.

Am I correct in thinking Greece has just had yet another tranch of bail-out funds? Santander has stepped in to save a failed Spanish Bank and the EU has just countenanced a bail out of troubled Italian Banks to protect investors? Head in sand titch?

JoeLeg Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Not an objective analysis, or just not one that > you want to hear? Haven't read the article so can't comment on the contents. suffice to say from the few reactions so far it would appear to satisfy the remain mindset

I read up to the beginning of the second line "... The country is being governed by a talking robot, nicknamed the Maybot ... " I realised there was no point in reading further as it was hardly going to be an objective analysis

"... the flower seller didn't see you as she was reading something and you didn't tell her, apologise or offer to pay for what she now can't sell... " If the flower seller was unaware of this heinous crime she might well have sold the tainted bunch and a customer purchased the cockatoo pee bouquet in all innocence.

They'll raise the pension age to 100 eventually - and you'll only be able to collect it if accompanied by a parent