keano77

Not only has the law been clarified from a constitutional point of view this is also a sensible judgement. Many Brexiters voted out so as to preserve the sovereignty of the UK parliament. The irony for the remainers is they've correctly asserted the sovereignty of Parliament but would like to give a large area of it away and dance to the EU tune.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Of course he's right. He's been hounded out of his > post be ideologues, who don't want to be > challenged by inconvenient realities. It's an > absolute shambles. He's had his snout in the trough gorging himself at EU taxpayers' expense for too long and gone native. Made a pig's ear of Cameron's pre-Brexit 'fundamental reforms'. Good riddance. Let's get people in with some cojones.

I'm beginning to wonder whether the angst caused to many by the results of our referendum and the US election has exposed a serious failing of liberal democracies - namely that generation snowflake and the helicopter parents responsible for producing such safe-space little darlings have been left unprepared for the real world where you get winners and losers and they have difficulty grasping that people hold different views that they may not agree with. Perhaps we need to introduce disclaimers on voting forms to explain what should of course be obvious to anyone eligible to vote, such as: In giving my vote for my preferred candidate I agree to accept the rules under which this election/referendum is being conducted. I understand that the candidate I am voting for might not win but I will accept the result irrespective of whether I agree or disagree with the winning candidate's/party's political affiliations/policies/beliefs.

It's not all negative. Share prices for building materials have gone up and bricklayers must be rubbing their hands :)

Jenny1 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Surely most of this is attributable to the > financial crash in 2007-8. There was always a risk > after that of a 1930s style resurgence of > extremism and 'populism'. In order to avoid it > you'd have needed diligent government focusing > fully on social equality - we certainly didn't get > that in this country. I tend to agree with you Jenny. The danger now is that Trump will take America into isolationism which I understand made the Great Crash of the 1930s so much worse.

Once again the experts were wrong. The polls were wrong. The markets were wrong. Brexit plus plus plus. Something is happening in the Anglo-Saxon world.

nxjen Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I looked into this about 18 months ago and the > quotes I received from three solicitors based in > East Dulwich, including William Bailey were ?500. > I went out of the area and used a solicitor in > Forest Hill with a considerable saving and was > happy with the service. I'm finding more and more > there is an "East Dulwich Premium" these days. > > As an aside, one of those solicitors in East > Dulwich sent me a form for me to complete with all > my online user accounts and passwords - No Way!! > Has anyone else had this experience and is it > something many solicitors request? The online bit may not have been explained properly, if at all, but most wills now include provision for what happens to your online and social media legacy when you depart this life - ie who, if anyone, can access it and what can they do with it?

I'm fed up with buses suddenly, mid-journey, announcing the bus will terminate before the destination displayed on the front. Camberwell seems to be the main culprit. I understand the drivers may have completed their shifts before their final destination because of traffic problems. However, if you catch the number 40 from Aldgate after 11pm, or on route at London Bridge etc, and it states Dulwich Plough, to announce the destination is changing puts women in particular at such a late hour in potential danger. I was again, I couldn't put a number on the amount of times, kicked off at Camberwell last night around 12.30am despite boarding the bus supposedly for Dulwich Plough. At Camberwell I received unwelcome attention from a few well-oiled lotharios declaring their affections with can in hand (they haven't seen me first thing in the morning!) If I board a bus with a display announcing it is terminating at Dulwich Plough I expect it to follow that route, not arbitrarily terminate beforehand. Bus companies owe passengers a duty of care. Sort out your schedules

SoozieW Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No more whingeing about the referendum result. > Are you having a laugh OP? No. Accept it and move on

S&P and Moodys - oh yes, those bodies who gave Credit Default Swaps triple A ratings before the financial system crashed and the tax payers stepped in to save the world

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > That's ok Keano, taste is a very personal thing. I > suppose I should have said that I found it > distasteful, but you are completely within your > rights to not think bringing up Jo's murder was in > poor taste. Ah, I now understand your point and see why you might find it in poor taste. I thought Bryan Appleyard's article on this very point interesting in today's Sunday Times though. Worth a read.

In reply to etta166 I agree that Brexit is not necessarily inevitable (although the UK would be a laughing stock if we went cap in hand a la Cameron to the EU to say we've changed our mind) Next year Hollande is likely to be out of a job and Angela's position is looking shaky. We might get new players in positions of power in the EU who decide they cannot keep framing EU rules for the benefit of Germany and France and maybe the little people have genuine concerns. In such circumstances the Uk could agree to stay in a reformed EU with head held high and in the knowledge that the bravery of the U.K. Electorate in voting leave helped liberate Europe. All the more reason to delay activating Article 50. The British people are now calling the shots. If the EU says it takes up to 7 years to negotiate a trading agreement why not say ok once we're happy with your trading agreement proposal then we'll activate Article 50

shaunag Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > No thank you keano ???

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > In very poor taste Keano, very poor taste, but I > support your democratic right to say it. Sorry don't understand the poor taste point.

Blah Blah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > And I thought lies around immigration that may > have led to a mentally vulnerable man murdering an > MP equally diplorable. Don't be silly blah blah. There is no causal link here no matter how Remain tried to create one. The man was unfortunately mentally unstable.

etta166 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Are you so sure that you understand how democracy > works in the UK? I hope so > > The U.K. has a parliamentary democracy. The > electorate send representatives to parliament, and > they make laws on our behalf. The act of > Parliament that permitted this referendum did not > incorporate legislation that made the result of > the referendum binding. It is, therefore, > advisory. Agreed > > It would be completely democratic, within the > rules of the U.K. democracy, for parliament to > vote on, and reject, invoking Art 50 of the Lisbon > treaty. It might not be popular, it probably would > be morally wrong. But it would be democratic. Agreed if Parliament voted to rescind prior parliamentary agreements on EU legislation, Treaty of Rome, Maastricht etc. Constitutionally, Parliament cannot be bound by laws made by previous Parliaments. > > Petitioning your MP, or whinging as you put it, > about a decision that you don't agree with is also > a large part of how U.K. democracy works. Agreed. Although you may be wasting your time. > > If we lived in a plebiscite democracy, or had > proportional representation, then you would be > correct that a minority simply has to accept a > majority vote. But that is not the case here. See replies above. On your last paragraph, Sorry, you are wrong here. The rules for this referendum were quite clear. yes or no, the most votes win. Most people understood that. Yes, constitutionally the result is advisory. Whoe betide the politicians, like David Lammy, who decide 17.4m voters are wrong and they know what's best for them

Loz Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Sorry, but I am not going to sit idly whilst Boris > and co drive this country over a cliff. We're all worried about the future Loz. Freedom is a scary prospect. You're not going to stand idly. Fair enough. What are you going to do then and contribute to a new dynamic Britain, whinge and talk Britain down or help unleash the potential?

Hi JoeLeg It was a very ugly campaign and both sides should be ashamed of their exaggerated figures and spin (some may say lies). Personally, I thought the hijacking of Jo Cox's tragic death for Remain ends trumped any ?350m a week fib.

heartblock Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I'll 'whinge' as much as I want to thanks and > apart from Trump and Le Pen..... Who is in awe of > the stupid out vote based on lies. Anyone who understands the idea of democracy.

Hi Jaywalker, Without getting into the realms of political philosophy, more than 45m registered to vote in the referendum after a two day extension for late registrants. Around 11.3m of those registered didn't or were unable to vote for whatever reason. Scotland's turnout was disappointing. The 18-35s vote was disappointing. The turnout in London was disappointing. To say the result is undemocratic/unfair etc is naive. If you want to blame anyone blame Remain supporters in the above categories.

We live in a democracy. If the majority vote results in a decision we don't agree with we have to accept that fact. Please, no more childish petitions or questioning the result. If youngsters, Londoners and the Scottish voters had turned out in greater numbers Remain would have won. If these people can't be bothered to get out of bed or brave a bit of rain don't blame 17.4m people. Enough is enough. What whingers seem to be missing here is the world is in awe of The UK for such a brave defence of democracy/sovereignty in the face of such vested interests.

Robert Poste's Child Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > It would be naive to assume that London and > Scotland voted remain for the same reasons, > though. > > I'm for the People's Republic of Dulwich. We > already have a benevolent faceless dictator. Annex > Denmark Hill so we have the hospital, and what > else do you need? It would be like Passport to > Pimlico. A pub might help

Strictly speaking it is Alan. You will remember there was a referendum recently on whether to keep FPTP or replace it with an alternative vote system and the will of the people decided to keep it. Despite its imperfections then it has been democratically endorsed.

And 17.2m votes should be ignored because you don't agree with the result? What is it about democracy that you don't quite understand? A majority of more than 1.2m wins it. Get over it. This is an historic result. You'll be boring your grandchildren about it with tales of how you were part of it in years to come.