Brendan

It just adds to the fun.

No, nine. Two of them are just used twiced.

Nope, there're 9 letters in hungry horse.

So what do I call a pug, a dachshund and a moggie?

matthew123 Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- >English captain waving an imaginary > yellow card for an Italian to be sin-binned. That was piss poor. It was like that little limp-wristed, cheating tw@t Broad complaining to the umpire and throwing tantrums on the pitch in the last test series.

Nope. I fact it means you probably have a favourite band member.

France only won that because they used their hands. Cheating fuckers.

Nonsense! 9+7=16 Or maybe 97.

9+7=16. The fact that you can?t do arithmetic has nothing to do with it. It is still 16.

steveo Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Apparently, BOSS used to employ the Richardsons to > do some of their dirty work in London, in return > for allowing the brothers to smuggle diamonds out > of SA inside frozen fish (according to London > Babylon) Secret agents and gangsters. Ok now I have to read it.

Mick Mac Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > I would suggest that De Klerk was the person > making the big step. The ANC, Mandela and the > world in general may have made the De Klerk step a > seamingly unavoidable one, but many a leader would > have held out for another decade or more before > reconciling. > > Mandela led the movement out of oppression and the > ANC and its terrorist/military wing attracted the > world's attention to the shortcomings in south > africa. Black Africa made a very big sacrifice. > But also at the end of the day, the guy in control > needs to make a big concession and risk losing his > political future, De Klerk did this. Interesting point Mick (If I can go off topic) and I suppose it is why De Klerk is also seen in a positive light even though, like Mandela, he was head of an organisation that had an armed wing that was busy killing people at the time. While I don?t think his hand was forced completely the alternatives all involved more military and more violence. Apart from the obvious pressure domestically from organisations like the ANC and (what would have then been) ?white? opposition parties there was also a growing lack of will in general amongst the population to continue with a nasty, bloody war that was always bubbling under the surface. It had been a couple of generations and the reason it was put in place in the first place were less and less relevant. The cold war had also recently ended and America no longer needed SA to supply the minerals for its weapons and fight communism in Africa so that particular rug of support had also been pulled out from under them. So I think De Klerk?s choice at the time was a very sensible one as well as brave. I was still a teenager when this was going on but that was the feeling I got.

Admittedly those chicks do look a bit like guys.

Poison (by ol' AC is cool I suppose) But Poison http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCM4kvDEiRA now that's just embarrassing

Babbage

This pet owning business sounds like way too much responsibility. We?re just going to have a baby, see how we get on with that and if we manage it we may consider graduating to a kitten.

So what does one do when one finds itself behind the difference engine on a Friday evening? I?ve thought about looking for a life but I don?t think it would be the right shape for my living room.

Getting back to Mick?s original point on why Mandela is universally seen as a hero despite his involvement in the armed struggle. I think it is because the guy was willing (along with people like Buthelezi and De Klerk) and strong enough to seize a moment, that may never have come again, to leave the past behind and make a positive future rather than settle old scores. He quite literally saved a country from self destructing. Furthermore after the fact he kept his nose out the trough which distinguished him from other African leaders of the time. Here?s some overly sentimental guff I wrote about him over a year ago. http://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/forum/read.php?20,140009,140009#msg-140009 So I suppose the question with N Ireland is, do its leaders, regardless of their past, have the will and leadership to take things forward to a degree where angry cynics like myself will gush over their efforts?

Noy quite sure what you mean by that Simon.

Your right. It anoys me too.

Well it?s less to do with shit like that (which you expect to deal with when you get yourself into situations like that and shouldn't be used as an excuse for bad behaviour) and more to do with people forming opinions, about a place a people that I feel protective over, based on fundamental misunderstandings and dubious information.

Unfortunately I don?t actually have a valid South Africa passport so I could just be making this shit up.

Yeah sorry Brum, PGC, Giggirl if I?ve offended you. I was by no means saying that someone?s nationality precludes them from having an opinion or indeed being capable of an informed opinion. I was specifically saying that using the perspective of your life and what goes on around you to form an opinion on something happening halfway across the world is silly at best and downright insulting at worst. *bob*?s specific snide tone when doing so just anoyed me no end. Even though I suspect that when it comes down to it we probably share the same feelings on the matter. If you look back through the post I posted a reply to Mick?s original question of why Mandela is held in such high esteem in SA. I wouldn?t for a moment try to comment on how it would apply to N Ireland though as I don?t know the people or the situation.

Prejudice Self-righteous c@nt tick-tick-tick

Balls

Not that is pisses me off or anything.