RosieH Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > To be honest, I don't really hold with that point > in this context. Because let's face it, if Jah is > turning up with two beautiful women on his arm, > it's not really as though he needs anyone to offer > him a seat. Belive me that's not what I was talking about at all. In fact it couldn't be further from what I meant. It?s got nothing to do with people needing something because they are somehow weaker or less able. It has to do with respect for experience and standing. Anyway people in England don?t often get me on this point they seem to prefer the insipid borderline aggressive rudeness that passes for manners in London. Or the morally vacuous but hugely sanctimonious crud that some people flaunt as manners in order to show themselves to be of some kind of better class.