Bic Basher

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Spartacus Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > Rah x3 > > Its about a democratic process and the council > > engaging with and listening to residents > > > > But you seem to want to run a "cynical, > populist > > campaign to make cycling as easy as possible / > > increase cycle use." > > > > Pot and kettle here > > It's cynical, because the Lib Dems say they > support LTNs, just not in local races where they > think there may be a vote in opposing them. > > And i'll point out that those opposing LTNs > 'claim' the want to reduce car use and increase > active travel, as do the lib dems. Another reason > why I see their campaign as entirely cynical. They supported the LTN in Borough because it was a sensible plan, the Dulwich one wasn't thought out properly, nor properly consulted. If that's not an election issue for them, then what is?

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Bic Basher Wrote: > -------------------------------------------------- > ----- > > > Dulwich Village is too close to call and a > > barometer to see if the LTN measures have been > a > > success with the electorate or not > > Whether they've been 'popular', not whether > they've been a success Labour would be the first to say they were 'popular' if they had it on their election literature, the fact it hasn't shows that it hasn't been a success.

rahrahrah Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > 4 across most of East Dulwich. The Village get's a > lower score, because it's low density / full of > large green spaces. 2 around the Forest Hill Road area, plus the area surrounding Overhill and Underhill Road which is served by the P13. The area around Forest Hill Station and Hornimans is a 6 presumably due to having more bus routes and a very regular train service.

Dulwich Hill is as safe as it gets for Labour, they really don't have to put the work in. Dulwich Wood should also go Labour again, with minimal leaflet drops from the Tories. Dulwich Village is too close to call and a barometer to see if the LTN measures have been a success with the electorate or not, but I wouldn't go as far to say Leeming and Newens will be back with an increased majority.

goldilocks Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Its not one of the worst in the area around East > Dulwich Station - it is in the leafier bits of > Dulwich - mainly cos its a straight line > measurement and the playing fields obviously don't > have bus routes... You've conveniently forgotten the Dog Kennel Hill Estate.

Yes, it's a national strike involving the Crown POs today, so those which are sub-post offices and those run by WHSmith are open today.

BBC London are covering the Dulwich LTN as part of their election coverage today.

legalalien Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > Haven?t got that one yet (it has been a bumper > year for flyers here I have to say!) Had a very > generic Labour one this morning that didn?t > mention any local issues at all ,focus on the > general cost of living crisis and central govt. do > you mean one of the village ward candidates lives > in streatham, or is it a leaflet about someone > unrelated? One of the LD candidates lives in Streatham and that's the basic premise of the Labour leaflet which clearly states it's produced on behalf of Margy and Richard.

Labour playing dirty in Village Ward as they're now leafleting about a LD candidate living in Streatham. It shows the rival parties are eating into Labour's vote.

A lot has been done, certainly since Khan replaced Boris as Mayor. You can't avoid the cycle lanes on the Embankment and Blackfriars Road for example, along with the one at the Oval. We live just inside the ULEZ and I'd welcome it being extended to the GLA boundary along with sensible LTN proposals. Why did Southwark get the LTN right in Borough? They have better public transport connections and is close to London Bridge and the Elephant and has easy walking and cycling access to the City and West End. Unlike Borough, Dulwich has poorer public transport, is hard to travel between East and West Dulwich using buses (along with cuts to Routes 3, 12 and 40) and the Kingswood Estate has no direct bus connection that serves either East or West Dulwich and that's before you attempt the trains. East and North Dulwich hasn't had a proper regular rail service since 2020 on weekdays, buses are noticeably taking longer not helped by the 20mph speed reduction introduced across Southwark before Covid. What the LTN has achieved is traffic using Underhill Road to avoid the Lordship Lane peak jams, Dulwich Common and the eastern end of LL with increased traffic as local traffic has to use the main roads to get to the Village and back, while Croxted Road in the peaks is one big traffic jam. If Labour get back in on Thursday, it'll certainly spread to Herne Hill which will add to the already negative traffic issues and I wouldn't be surprised if they try another LTN scheme for streets east of LL although Friern Road has been closed for through traffic for years.

I've lost count of how many times Forest Hill Road or the eastern end of Peckham Rye has been closed, leaving bus passengers with the option of getting the P12 or walking down to the Barry Road end of Peckham Rye to get the other buses.

In my dealings with the pro-cycling lobby, one of them took photos of the shopping end of LL at 5pm last week to show how quiet it is to claim the LTN is working. Yet they didn't come to the Grove end of LL to see the traffic crawling to the lights at the South Circular which has got worse since the Court Lane/Calton Avenue closure, nor along Dulwich Common. They were also dismissive of the fact the buses are slower than before the LTN was implemented. As I've said before, it's classist sneering of people who simply want to get around their area locally whether by car, bus etc while the party in power treat taxpayers as children who need to be told how to live.

Politics plays a major role in why we have the LTN in the first place. The fact we have Labour and the radical cycling groups in cohorts with each other, the latter have been very pro-active in the last week up to the election on Thursday is part of their strategy of keeping the Village and East Dulwich LTNs.

First Tory leaflet through the door today.

Rockets Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > He was part of a group of councillors in Signoria > in Dulwich earlier today enjoying a hearty lunch > talking very loudly about their strategic plans to > use their "database" to target "weak" Labour > voters to get out and vote. > > Apparently, if they get exit polls in any given > ward on polling day that shows they are struggling > they will send groups of councillors/supporters to > knock on doors of "weak" supporters within the > ward to implore them to get out and vote. It wouldn't be the first time they've done this as I remember one local election, I think it was either the 2014 and 2018 election when a knock on the door from EIGHT Labour activists at around 8pm on election day when there records didn't show we voted. We actually did on that day, but they will send round half a dozen activists on the evening of polling day.

I'm not surprised by the attitude of the Deputy Mayor for Lambeth. I remember when the hard left ran Lambeth Council in the ground.

I believe they have a specific leaflet for Dulwich wards and another for the rest of Southwark.

CPR Dave Wrote: ------------------------------------------------------- > You would think Labour would be proud of the > enormous success they claim to have achieved with > the LTNs and should be shouting it from the > roadside. > > Strange they aren't eh? The only people on social media who are promoting the LTN in Dulwich are the radical cycling activists who seem to be doing the work for Southwark Labour who have gone quiet on the subject.

In Dulwich Wood I've had more leaflets from the two anti-LTN organisations over the last couple of weeks than from Labour.

The 363 is on diversion again via Barry Road and Lordship Lane.

Largely a normal service here for the last couple of months.

The VoteThemOut website is recommending either the Tories or Lib Dems depending on the ward. However I think they're way off recommending the Tories in Village and Wood. http://votethemoutmay22.org.uk/how-to-vote/

Again, this is what you get if we have a Labour or Tory council from the end of next weekend, both are as ideologically driven as the other on this issue. I believe we have a Momentum run Labour group on the council currently and when you have Corbynomics in the mix, you're never going to get a realistic solution to this issue, to the point that even moderate Labour Cllrs are towing the party line in an attempt to keep their jobs after next week. (Alas the lack of LTN mentions on Labour election material) Labour until 2018 were pretty decent in Southwark, keeping libraries and essential services going when the Tory gov cut funding to councils, but this has made them more ideologically driven than before which has led to this passive-aggressive warfare against people who are just trying to live.

Another thing the pro-LTN lobby got wrong is that they didn't sell it to "normal people" well if at all. The way they see it as a culture war between who they sneer as ignorant people who they feel don't understand about the causes of pollution and excess traffic and the other who want proper solutions that enable the general public to go about their business without major disruption or health risks to people who tend to be poorer. Southwark and the pro-cycling/environmental lobby could have done this transparently and come up with solutions that work for both parties which wouldn't had led to such a bitter election campaign in Dulwich Village ward and kept Labour in those two seats, but we could be in for a shock in that seat next Thursday night.

I tried today to converse with the pro-LTN activists and it's such a minefield. They're even against EVs as they don't want any form of motor vehicle on their streets even if has zero emissions. I think most of us here want practical solutions to the LTN issue, but the mantra from certain circles is that every single vehicle is a menace to society which only Amsterdam style streets full of bikes can resolve. It's not practical or realistic to expect that.