Oglander Pub

[carlito]

Anyone know what's going on ? It looks like a demolition order on the outside but I presume there are plans for the place.....

[Earl Aelfheah]

Southwark Council (in their wisdom) have approved it's conversion into flats. Very depressing. Details of planning application / decision, here.

[Jeremy]

What's the problem converting it into flats? Apparently it wasn't viable as a pub...

[ABC]

The Land is for sale : Located on Oglander Road, this de-licensed pub has planning permission to be converted into seven substantial living spaces, comprising four two bedroomed flats, one three bedroomed flat, a one bedroomed flat and a studio.The lands is going for ?1,200,000

[Michael Palaeologus]

Better some usable accomodation than a blot on the landscape, if there is no business for the pub anymore time to move on.

[david_carnell]

Great old thread, featuring some long lost favourite forumites, about the Oglander here.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Jeremy Wrote:

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> What's the problem converting it into flats?

> Apparently it wasn't viable as a pub...

We might have to accept harsh financial realities, but that doesn't mean we need to celebrate them. So many pubs in London are being lost and personally I find it sad.

Often it is not that a pub is no longer viable, it's just that flats are more profitable. It is fairly easy to turn a quick buck, chopping up a historic pub for flats. But it's difficult to reverse the trend when markets change.

Government is here to act in a regulatory role, taking into account the character and history of an area, the public interest (both now and in the future) and consider the 'bigger picture'. A property developer isn't (and shouldn't) be expected to think about any of this, which is why the Council's role is so important.

Having said all this, I don't know this specific case intimately, so I guess I might be off the mark. I still find it sad though....

[Brendan]

Communist! Don?t you know that government stands directly in the way of rampant personal gain at the expense of others. How can we expect to move forward if we don?t let those who are financially able to exploit the rest of society?

[Peckhamgatecrasher]

Yeah. Wot the Surrey Massive said.

[Brendan]

Word!

[????]

*flicks gin and tonic and golf club in 'that' way*

[Brendan]

How do you flick a golf club?

And by club do you mean the membership as a body or the grounds?

[????]

er...the stick thing

[Brendan]

Oh, that?s a ?bat? innit?

[Brendan]

Or maybe a racket.

[Moos]

The whole of Surrey is a racket. Fact.

[Jeremy]

rahrahrah Wrote:

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> Often it is not that a pub is no longer viable,

> it's just that flats are more profitable. It is

> fairly easy to turn a quick buck, chopping up a

> historic pub for flats. But it's difficult to

> reverse the trend when markets change.

It has been shut for ages. When it was open, nobody went there. It's not a case of it being less profitable than flats, it's a case of it not making any money at all.

Yes I guess it is sad that pubs are being lost, but I don't think it really applies round here. There is a good variety of pubs and bars within easy walking distance.

If the government refused permission to turn it into flats, we'd just have an empty pub on the corner. I'd prefer the building to be put to good use and looked after.

[Earl Aelfheah]

Would be great to have a pub here now - would act as s stopping off point between ED and Bellenden Road.

Problem is, the council always approve change of use based on what's viable at any given point in time - and so invariably amenity levels are frozen at the lowest point in an area's economic cycle.

[Earl Aelfheah]

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[????]

rah -a re you bit of an alcoholic, if you need a sharpner between Bellenden and SE22?

[jimbo1964]

???? Wrote:

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> rah -a re you bit of an alcoholic, if you need a

> sharpner between Bellenden and SE22?

The Gowlett can provide that, if you take a bit of a roundabout route.

[Dopamine1979]

Holy thread resurrection!

[Earl Aelfheah]

???? Wrote:

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> rah -a re you bit of an alcoholic, if you need a

> sharpner between Bellenden and SE22?

I prefer 'a drinking enthusiast'