The first ever size 16 girl to take part in the Miss England

[giggirl]

I thought you were going to politely ignore me. Never mind. Is that the very very best that you can dig up - some quote based on inconclusive research from the 1970s. That is too funny. Thinking has changed a lot in 40 years.

You have strongly implied that I must be telling lies. I would be insulted by that if it came from someone intelligent. I am not mistaken regarding my diet, nor am I telling tall stories regarding my diet. Everything is as I have reported.

Really really pathetic about the lies:

In other words, fat people tell tall stories about their diet.

What makes you dangerous is that you're holding forth on something that you don't know a lot about. This is what you said, and what I responded to at 3.57pm yesterday:

> Fat people are fat because they overeat and don't

> get enough exercise.

That is, quite simply, not always the case. That is not what happened to me. You could possibly accept that you aren't an expert in this field and that perhaps you don't know as much as you think. Or you could be a complete wanker and just imply that I must be telling big fat lies.

[Huguenot]

I'm only ignoring your ranting and abuse giggirl, it's all "I knew a little girl who had a little curl...". Whoosh, duck's back and all that.

I'm most certainly not an expert. I wasn't aware I said I was?

I don't think you're telling big fat lies, and to be honest I wasn't even talking about you. You and your personal story were not in my mind when I posted. Your story had simply reminded me about something else.

These days we tend to interchange Prince Charlie's 'One thinks that one knows' with 'You think that you know'. It leaves a lot of scope for the paranoid to think it's all about them.

Your story reminded me about the countless studies I've read about the contradictions in fat people's diets between reported and actual consumption. That document was a modern one, the reference to the 70s was that belief in hocus pocus of chubbiness was dismantled by the medical profession 30 years ago.

You didn't read that either, because you didn't want to.

Your story also contradicted the first law of thermodynamics.

The fact remains that fat people are fat because they consume more energy than they expend. That's it. In loose parlance they eat too much and they don't exercise enough. It's flippant, it's a joke. It's also true.

To be honest giggirl, I don't think you care. I think you're focusing all your problems on me. That's okay, I'm a big boy. I'm not sure it'll make you happy though.

[Huguenot]

This is the 2006 Canadian Medical Association...

"Within the context of environmental, social and genetic factors, at the simplest level obesity results from long-term positive energy balance ? the interaction of energy intake and energy expenditure.

"With progressive improvements in the standard of living in developed and developing countries, overnutrition and sedentary lifestyle have supplanted physical labour and regular physical activity, which has resulted in positive energy balance and overweight."

In other words fat people are fat because they overeat and don't get enough exercise.

[Narnia]

What problems are you talking about Huguenot? From what I read Giggirl was relaying her experience without suggesting it was a problem, just a fact. One which I found interesting enough to request she told me what her diet consisted of.

Your whole theory is based of what you have read in medical journals. She wrote about her personal experience. In my opinion that counts for more. It wont be considered medical science but if it happened it happened.

Not everything one can learn is in a book.

[sophiesofa]

> I don't think you're telling big fat lies, and to

> be honest I wasn't even talking about you. You and

> your personal story were not in my mind when I

> posted. Your story had simply reminded me about

> something else.

I read it as aimed at giggirl just for the record. I think this thread is getting a bit nasty so maybe you should call a truce. Big kiss

[giggirl]

No no. I have one tiny problem only that I am focusing on you. Just one small issue. Here it is..... I am not going to be patronished or condescended to on this matter.

To be honest giggirl, I don't think you care. I think you're focusing all your problems on me. That's okay, I'm a big boy. I'm not sure it'll make you happy though.

For the love of God get over yourself; who do you think you are.

So this is where I came in....

"In loose parlance they eat too much and they don't exercise enough. It's flippant, it's a joke. It's also true."

.... just to remind you what I originally said before you started to patronise me and call me a liar, quite simply, that is not always the case.

[giggirl]

Narnia Wrote:

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> >

> What problems are you talking about Huguenot? From

> what I read Giggirl was relaying her experience

> without suggesting it was a problem, just a fact.

> One which I found interesting enough to request

> she told me what her diet consisted of.

>

> Your whole theory is based of what you have read

> in medical journals. She wrote about her personal

> experience. In my opinion that counts for more. It

> wont be considered medical science but if it

> happened it happened.

>

> Not everything one can learn is in a book.

Thanks Narnia

I wish to God that I had been overweight through eating too much. If that had been the case I could have eaten less, lost weight, and saved myself a lot of heartache. But that was not to be my experience. My experience is that my whole life I had a modest appetite and ingested a relatively small intake of food. This didn't matter until my mid 30s when I started to put on weight. When I turned 40 I gave up smoking and weight piled on. I'm not an expert but I would say that my metabolism changed. If you overeat you simply eat less to loose weight. If you don't overeat then the position is a lot tricker.

To make matters worse there are a lot of idiots saying stupid things. I have been extremely lucky and managed to get my diet and metabolism back on the right track. I haven't yet managed to stabilise things so I can't skip meals and I'm literally "eating to stay thin". It's difficult. Eating isn't my favourite thing to do.

[Cassius]

Eating isn't my favourite thing to do.

That's so sad - I can't think of many things I like to do more - and luckily for me my metabolism lets me do it (Theo's classes help too!) I did think your diet looked a bit repetitive - now I understand why.

[Narnia]

That's an interesting comment Cassius. As you like it so much, as do many others I'm sure, doesn't make it sad that someone doesn't surely? As for Giggirl's diet, it seemed quite interesting to me. As I'm a vegetarian mine would probably put you to sleep.

[brum]

Well done GG. It sounds like you've found an eating plan that works for you and I really admire you for being prepared to risk something new and different to achieve your goals. I agree with you that Huguenot was being patronising...but you know what really matters.

[red devil]

Back on topic...she doesn't sweat much for a fat lass

[Huguenot]

I appreciate that the proximity of giggirl's post and my train of thought read as a direct challenge. I didn't think about it that way, it was simply a logical progression.

I apologise for the 'liar' inference, it wasn't intended, it wasn't alleged, and swearing at me doesn't help.

I recognise the desire to make this a 'people issue'.

However, it's just chemistry this one. Conservation of energy in chemical form. A denial of this basic premise is a refutation of clinical evidence and even the basic recognition that if you let go of an apple it falls.

If in spite of this you want to go with the 'people angle' go ahead. On that basis you can believe anything you like.

[Cassius]

Narnia Wrote:

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> >

> That's an interesting comment Cassius. As you like

> it so much, as do many others I'm sure, doesn't

> make it sad that someone doesn't surely? As for

> Giggirl's diet, it seemed quite interesting to me.

> As I'm a vegetarian mine would probably put you to

> sleep.

Actually Narnia I am a vegetarian too (actually a Pescatarian but I only seldom eat fish - usually when abroad when the vegetarian choice is limited),but that still means that I eat a varied and very interesting diet. I just love cooking and eating so much I just feel that someone who doesn't like food is missing out. I feel the same about people who don't like music - that it is sad that they can't take pleasure from something that is intrisically so pleasurable.

[Loz]

Huguenot was being rather unsubtle, but his maths and physics is sound.

[legalbeagle]

I can see Huguenot's thought process here - science has an explanation that we all know to be true so it must be correct. But then again, bees can't fly. According to the laws of physics, that is.

GG states a series of facts. Since she isn't a liar, they are what they are. If they don't agree with science as we know it then it's possible, just possible, that science can't yet explain everything.

If you eliminate the impossible, then what is left, however improbable, is the truth.

Good on you GG. If it works for you, that's what matters.

[espelli]

Well said Legalbeagle. This may go some way to explain your experience GG, I thought it was interesting.

Gary Taubes

[Loz]

GG didn't state a series of facts at all. Indeed, the main cause of dispute in my mind - the 800 to 1000 calories a day - is an estimate. And no one said she was a liar - she may, however, be mistaken.

It's interesting, legalbeagle, that you chose the 'science proved bumblebees can't fly' myth. It's a classic case of one person making an error that, because it sounded good, has managed to embed itself into popular belief. Maybe a bit like easting less makes you fat?

Bumblebees Can't Fly Myth

[Lawrence]

Bees wings .......

Edit - oops just clocked the link above. doh

[HAL9000]

legalbeagle Wrote:

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> I can see Huguenot's thought process here -

Never mind the bumblebee, that's got to be worth a Nobel Prize!

[Huguenot]

espelli, I can't believe you trot out Gary Taubes. He's a journalist with no medical/nutritional/dietary training who sells books because he disagrees with doctors and appeals to Daily Mail readers.

People buy his books because they justify bad habits. He parasites on losers because they buy his books.

He doesn't care if they die, he's rich. He never signed the Hippocratic Oath.

Shame on you.

[MissM]

I know if I eat too much and don't exercise, I get fat. But if I eat too little, my body seems to cling onto weight. I always justify it by saying my metabolism is like a muscle, it has to be used to make it work.

You can never make sweeping statements about anything to do with the human body, as everyone is different, but I do believe that eating less and doing more makes you healthier / thinner / fitter.

[Huguenot]

Sure, just wasted 25 minutes watching the whole Gary Taubes rubbish.

I can summarise, and I've seen it somewhere before: "Eating too many calories doesn't necessarily make you fat, but you can't get fat without eating too many calories."

[espelli]

Huguenot, I posted the link with Gary Taubes name, if you were so against him then why watch the video?

Shame on me for attempting to make a contribution to this thread that you do not necessarily agree with??? Why be so hostile?

[woofmarkthedog]

Excuse my...

Dietary ignorance but....

Does eating heavy food ( like a brick ) make you heavier ?

So conversely would eating a bowl full of balloon's makes you lighter ?

Is that the gist of it & not with standing the proverbial "lead balloon" ( because that's poisonous )

W**F

* checks chinese take away menu for balloon based dishes *

[giggirl]

Woof - that reminds me of an old conundrum my uncle used to ask. He used to say "which is heavier, a ton of feathers or a ton of coal?". I used to let him catch me out every time. It made him laugh.