Robert Poste's Child Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Due out later today. So, did Tony Blair lie or not? Look forwarding to finding out. It already sounds like it will confirm there was no plan. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Is the fact there was no plan news? I highly recommend "Imperial Life in the Emerald City", a terrific book that's a decade old, written by a guy who was the Washington Post Iraqi correspondent in the immediate aftermath of the invasion. It would be the darkest comedy imaginable, were it not a true account, and were it not for the hundreds of thousands of dead. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 It's what Corbyn is hanging on for, so he can 'crucify' Blair (according to the Times)And while Blair may need dealing with, there's pressing business that this country needs to deal with now. And as leader of the opposition as opposed to Leader of The (conceptual) Labour Party, he needs to get his party on board and focusedhttp://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-digs-in-heels-until-he-can-crucify-blair-q3v7p6qwg Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 One line of thinking is the Blairites wanted to topple Corbyn before the report came out, since the party base would never vote in those who voted for the war and against investigation (e.g. Eagle), once we get the nitty gritty. Fanciful bit of conspiracy? Remains to be seen. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny1 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Seabag Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> ..... while Blair may need dealing with, there's> pressing business that this country needs to deal> with now. And as leader of the opposition as> opposed to Leader of The (conceptual) Labour> Party, he needs to get his party on board and> focused> > http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/corbyn-digs-in-h> eels-until-he-can-crucify-blair-q3v7p6qwgI agree. And if he was a man who looked capable of multi-tasking it might be OK. But he doesn't. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Given the level of desertion and backstabbing in the trenches of frontline politics, I reckon most people are far enough away 'in the mind anyway' of too much sticky-dirt from the past. Sure the sh*t will smell, but not as bad as the air does right nowI'm not dismissing Chilcot (just look at the cost) but I'm also focused on the here and now, and in that NOBODY seems to be in a good place. Hence Corbyn & Co need to stand up and look over the landscape proper, instead of through this distorted periscope they seem fixated on. HELLO JEREMY, there's a new war going on!*points to Westminster*And if I hear the bloody word "mandate" once more from that bunch, or any other, I'll throw the Roberts Radio into the canal Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
miga Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I agree that Labour need to pull their socks up - and I happen to think the wisest thing Labour could have done now is the exact opposite of what they're doing - to come up with a *plan* for remaining (or "good as") and definitely not to have a power struggle. Show some unity, put a hand up Corbyn's jumper and make him mouth the right words like a puppet. This would have been good for the country. But I tend to think the Blairites cooked this ridiculous power struggle pre-Chilcot. Even pragmatically, they could have done exactly nothing and still come off better out of this as the Tories wriggled and squirmed post-Brexit. You're right about the smell of turd in the air. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Regarding the "no plan" issue, I was gobsmacked to hear a woman on the radio this morning that had gone over to Iraq in the aftermath of the war to volunteer. She got to Baghdad and was told they had enough people there, and to keep moving North. She kept going until eventually she reached a place and was told "you're the most senior civilian here, you're now in charge of this province".John Humphrys (experienced war correspondent) seemed genuinely shocked, saying he'd never heard of the like in his life. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 On another note, if Blair was at all worried, do you think he'd have been so visible lately? I've seen more of him in the past month than I had in the last 8 years. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Weirdly out of some kind of loyalty (to Labour) and as a personal smokescreen, Blair handed Corby a bun, in that he gave him ammo to use against him, but also gain some movement towards an 'in plan' of his own to give Labour a lift, a direction 'an opposition' evenhttp://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14595419.Blair_suggests_Brexit_not_a_done_deal_and_if_will_of_people_changed__it_could_be__quot_revisited_quot_/But Corbyn's absolute intractable beligerence re Blair, stops him making any move, other than his wish to bury him, that might give Blair the softer glow he thinks he's after post Chilcot. The country can wait, Jez is after the saw-dust in the Blair doll effigy, that's his fatuous focus right nowParanoia is beast fed by conversations in the head, of which Corbyn is currently manic with Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019799 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE44 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 http://m.heraldscotland.com/news/14544743.Tony_Blair__pre_empting_Chilcot_report_criticism__with_attack_on_Jeremy_Corbyn/?ref=mr&lp=11I think we've seen enough puppet shows.Article above about Blair preparing for this report, I bet he's happy to have Corbyn to point the finger at, disgusting. No respect for the families of soldiers and innocent people who died.Still we can always blame Corbyn, after all Blairplayed no part in where we are now. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 "We are quite clear about our position on Syria and how you achieve peace"Really? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 At a glance summary from BBChttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36721645 Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I'm not supporting Blair either btwBut I'm not loosing focus on 'we need to have a plan' here and now. Chilcot is currently (with the greatest respect) a distraction Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019816 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earl Aelfheah Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 My guess (we'll soon see), is that Blair believed Saddam posed a general (if not imminent) threat and it was clear to him that Bush was going in regardless. On balance, he took the view that we were better to back the US than stand on the sidelines and that he might be able to get bush to be alittle more consensual - look to obtain a second security council resolution. In the end it all ran away from him and he found it impossible to back out. I think he was pretty cavalier about things and suffered a good deal of self deception / confirmation bias. I don't think he 'lied' as such. Certainly looked for evidence to justify (as much to himself) the road he was already committed to. It's all very sad, but I don't think he's a war criminal. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jah Lush Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 I'm expecting the report to be a total whitewash. Bush and that simpering psychopathic whore The Bliar should both be locked up for crimes against humanity. War criminals! Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rendelharris Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 rahrahrah Wrote:------------------------------------------------------- I don't think he 'lied' as> such. Well, the Manning Memo (written by Blair's chief foreign policy adviser) made it explicitly clear that Blair and Bush had agreed that military action was to go ahead against Iraq regardless of whether WMDs were found; this was before Blair went to the Commons and said that Saddam would be given a final chance to disarm. So that was a lie to begin with. Blair has also said on numerous occasions that military action was only taken as a last resort, which Chilcot specifically refutes. So there's a couple of lies for starters. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Seabag Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> I'm not supporting Blair either btw> > But I'm not loosing focus on 'we need to have a> plan' here and now. Chilcot is currently (with the> greatest respect) a distractionThis^^^rahrahrah Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> My guess (we'll soon see), is that Blair believed> Saddam posed a general (if not imminent) threat> and it was clear to him that Bush was going in> regardless. On balance, he took the view that we> were better to back the US than stand on the> sidelines and that he might be able to get bush to> be alittle more consensual - look to obtain a> second security council resolution. In the end it> all ran away from him and he found it impossible> to back out. I think he was pretty cavalier about> things and suffered a good deal of self deception> / confirmation bias. I don't think he 'lied' as> such. Certainly looked for evidence to justify (as> much to himself) the road he was already committed> to. It's all very sad, but I don't think he's a> war criminal.And this^^^ Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordship 516 Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 From the manner in which the great Bliar operated in concert with the US authorities without reference to the legitimate governing structures of the UK government, he has shown himself to be the agent of a foreign power & as such is guilty, not only of war crimes, but also guilty of high treason. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Interesting to see if the Corbynistas - "What we need to do now is to unite to defeat this Tory govt?" line holds post Chilcott....more fuel on the fire methinks Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Is there a PMQs this afternoon? Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
???? Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Not sure, we don't seem to have a PM or Leader of the Opposition.... Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 Otta Wrote:-------------------------------------------------------> Is there a PMQs this afternoon?Apparently there is. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Otta Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 For anyone with a lot of time on their hands, full report available herehttp://www.iraqinquiry.org.uk/I'd recommend just searching for "blair" for the good bits. Wonder if Cambell gets a mention. Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabag Posted July 6, 2016 Share Posted July 6, 2016 And look at The ToriesThey're lining up a number of potential leaders, like ants, getting on with what's thereAnd Labour, fiddling with point scoring and mandates. How really can they put up a credible front for an electionIt's painful Link to comment https://www.eastdulwichforum.co.uk/topic/113587-chilcot-report/#findComment-1019849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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