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Maybe it needs to end in tears. For 11 years managers have failed because they haven't produced the Keegan style of play where you give away 3 goals and hope to score 4. If he does fail (and I'm not actually wishing that on them), maybe the fans will shut the f**k up for a while and accept they need a good manager to organise a good team.


Jose wasn't exactly playing the most exciting stuff at Chelsea, but it certainly worked! Wonder how the toon would feel if he was their manager.

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Any of you Arsenal fans coming to White Hart Lane

> next week?


I've asked all the people I know that have season tickets to do me a favour a get me a ticket, as a Red Member I can very rarely get tickets via the club website, and anyway my mates are far more reliable than our website. So far no joy, although I have been to your place for the last 4 seasons running thanks to generous buddies that have sold me tickets at face value. I still waiting but I'm realistic about someone wanting to give up their ticket for this match. A guy at work who is a Spurs fan claims that you will be fielding a weakened sqaud against Sunderland at the weekend in preparation for the visit of the Arse. If that's true it makes you wonder where Ramos' priorities lie.

Jah Lush Wrote:

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> Any of you Arsenal fans coming to White Hart Lane

> next week?


Certainly not! much too long a walk from the tube! I did go last season when you were 2-0 up and we fought back to 2-2 - that was a good night!

Yes it's that time of the week again


Birmingham 1 v Chelsea 2

Blackburn 2 v Middlesbrough 0

Fulham 0 v Arsenal 2

Newcastle 2 v Bolton 1

Portsmouth 2 v Derby 0

Reading 1 v Man Utd 3

Tottenham 2 v Sunderland 1 (depending on which side Ramos puts out)

Man City 1 v West Ham 2

Wigan 0 v Everton 2

Liverpool 1 v Aston Villa 1

Not such a good night for me Ladygooner. I was there too. I'm be there next Tuesday and I'm certainly hoping for a better result this time round.

Atila, I can't believe Ramos will play a weakened side against Sunderland. I wouldn't have thought we have the strength in depth that the Arsenals, Man Utds and Chelseas have. But I guess he just might tweak it a little and say give Defoe start so he can give Keane a bit of a rest.

I see Diarra has gone out of his way to endear himself to Pompey fans, he is reported as saying that if a big club comes in for him while playing for pompey he will be off. There's nothing like loyalty to a club, and that's nothing like loyalty to a club. Good bloody riddance to yet another overinflated ego!!!!

Birmingham 0 Chelsea 1

Blackburn 2 Middlesbrough 1

Fulham 1 Arsenal 3

Newcastle 2 Bolton 0

Portsmouth 3 Derby 1

Reading 1 Man Utd 2

Tottenham 3 Sunderland 1

Man City 0 West Ham 1 (Revenge!!!)

Wigan 1 Everton 2 (Come on Wigan, we need a result from you)

Liverpool 2 Aston Villa 1 (This should be a good match, think Liverpool are due a good game at home to pick themselves up)

citizenED Wrote:

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> Just because you're a crap footballer, or you make

> a simple mistake during a game, does it give

> someone who paid to watch you play the right to

> jeer at you or verbally abuse you?


Given the amount poor mugs like me and hundreds of thousands of others pay week in week out, I think it gives us the right to voice our displeasure. I certainly wouldn't stoop to racial abuse, or personal abuse, but I have every right to comment on the performance, just as a theatre goer would. Footballers are paid huge amounts of money and supporters pay through the nose. So, yes I think I'm entitled to an opinion, and to jeer. After all, if I and all those who go through the turnstiles and subscribe to Sky decide enough is enough, these people would be screwed. Why should sportsman be different to everyone else?

atila the gooner Wrote:

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> Given the amount poor mugs like me and hundreds of

> thousands of others pay week in week out, I think

> it gives us the right to voice our displeasure. I

> certainly wouldn't stoop to racial abuse, or

> personal abuse, but I have every right to comment

> on the performance, just as a theatre goer would.

> Footballers are paid huge amounts of money and

> supporters pay through the nose. So, yes I think

> I'm entitled to an opinion, and to jeer. After

> all, if I and all those who go through the

> turnstiles and subscribe to Sky decide enough is

> enough, these people would be screwed. Why should

> sportsman be different to everyone else?


I'd pretty much agree with atilla here with the addition of homophobic abuse. I intently dislike the fact that in football it is still tolerated in a way that racism is not. Ask Graeme Le Saux. My only worry is that football should be family-friendly - taking children (under 15s) to games should be encouraged but I'd be wary given the kind of abuse referees and players receive on a regular basis. And when it stretches into the personal (a la Mrs Beckham and her sexual preferences) I draw the line.


Family only stands don't always solve the problem, sound travels a long way. "Who's the wanker in the black" can often be heard on MOTD let alone in the neighbouring stand. I don't wish to sanitise football - it is at heart an earthy, manly, sometimes gutteral sport; but just sometimes I hang my head in shame at the language and opinions you hear on a terrace these days.

"just as a theatre goer would."

Do you really shout "you're rubbish, you couldn't act your way out of a paper bag" in the middle of a performance?

I've been known to shout "He's behind you..." every once in a while, but otherwise I'm not sure that the theatre equates with a game of footie.

Come on mockney, you know what I mean. As a paying punter you have a right to voice your displeasue. Of course a theatre goer wouldn't stand up and chant ( I don't know though). If you pay for something, no matter what it is, you have right to expect a certain standard of service, entertainment, whatever. If I go to a restaurant and get served food which isn't up to scratch, I voice my displeasure. I have booed a performance at the theatre before now, and have applauded loudly when I thought the performance was excellent . I work pretty hard for my dosh, unfortuantely, so I like getting my moneys worth.


It always makes me smile when I hear so called pundits expressing their displeasure at crowds booing or jeering players/teams. What makes them so special. We all work for the filthy lucre.

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